Heavey Fullered Hijaz Jambiya

archer · 5th January 2014, 09:36 PM

I've been referring to the three raised ribs as fullers. The fullers are the grooves, as in your examples The Three Ribs are unusual See Artzis comment on one of yours. Way to go having acquired two Stu.

http://www.oriental-arms.com/item.php?id=4207

I noticed a blade stabilizer likely present on others too. This one was exposed by the thin silver cover having been pushed back. Is the reddish like Jewelers rouge polish to clean off or applied as part of a custom?
Thanks, Steve

kahnjar1 · 5th January 2014, 10:18 PM

Hi Steve,
My reply was related to your original questions so did not include blade stabilisers of which I know nothing. I assume these were to hold the blade steady in the hilt?
Had forgotten where I got that multi fullered/ribbed Dharia, but find Artzi's comments interesting especially since I have two of these blade types and you also do. Certainly the multi fullered/ribbed style appears in Elgood's book but I have not seen it illustrated in any of the other books I have.
So lets agree that they are not common, but I tend to take the term "rare" with a grain of salt. I would however accept the description of "unusual", as most Dharia blades seem to be either single ribbed or flatish with no rib.
Stu

archer · 6th January 2014, 05:00 PM

Hi Stu, We agree that " unusual" is the better term for these blades, I think the visual attraction is all to do with additional ribs without them you are left with half a fuller on the outer edges. Always interesting to find variations to the norm. Finding the reinforcement is just a fluke they are likely on all of these hilts. Your responses and opinions are always welcome and helpful.
As you said, I haven't found any Arabian Armour, so far. In Elgoods' title, "Arms and Armour of Arabia" How does Armour apply, bucklers, captured Armour?

kahnjar1 · 6th January 2014, 07:21 PM

There is a Buckler illustrated in Elgood's book. I have one of these and pic attached here. As far as actual armour is concerned, I suppose it is likely that some "foreign" items may have been acquired, but I have not seen any illustrations of these in actual use.
Stu

A.alnakkas · 6th January 2014, 10:21 PM

Nice dharia. Congrats mate.

Agree with Stu on his analysis but I dont think the blade is machine made, but agree on the time line.

5th January 2014, 09:36 PM	#1
archer Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 373	Ribs v.s. Fullers I've been referring to the three raised ribs as fullers. The fullers are the grooves, as in your examples The Three Ribs are unusual See Artzis comment on one of yours. Way to go having acquired two Stu. http://www.oriental-arms.com/item.php?id=4207 I noticed a blade stabilizer likely present on others too. This one was exposed by the thin silver cover having been pushed back. Is the reddish like Jewelers rouge polish to clean off or applied as part of a custom? Thanks, Steve Attached Images

6th January 2014, 07:21 PM	#4
kahnjar1 Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: CHRISTCHURCH NEW ZEALAND Posts: 2,789	There is a Buckler illustrated in Elgood's book. I have one of these and pic attached here. As far as actual armour is concerned, I suppose it is likely that some "foreign" items may have been acquired, but I have not seen any illustrations of these in actual use. Stu Attached Images

5th January 2014, 10:18 PM	#2
kahnjar1 Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: CHRISTCHURCH NEW ZEALAND Posts: 2,789	Hi Steve, My reply was related to your original questions so did not include blade stabilisers of which I know nothing. I assume these were to hold the blade steady in the hilt? Had forgotten where I got that multi fullered/ribbed Dharia, but find Artzi's comments interesting especially since I have two of these blade types and you also do. Certainly the multi fullered/ribbed style appears in Elgood's book but I have not seen it illustrated in any of the other books I have. So lets agree that they are not common, but I tend to take the term "rare" with a grain of salt. I would however accept the description of "unusual", as most Dharia blades seem to be either single ribbed or flatish with no rib. Stu

6th January 2014, 05:00 PM	#3
archer Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 373	Hi Stu, We agree that " unusual" is the better term for these blades, I think the visual attraction is all to do with additional ribs without them you are left with half a fuller on the outer edges. Always interesting to find variations to the norm. Finding the reinforcement is just a fluke they are likely on all of these hilts. Your responses and opinions are always welcome and helpful. As you said, I haven't found any Arabian Armour, so far. In Elgoods' title, "Arms and Armour of Arabia" How does Armour apply, bucklers, captured Armour?

6th January 2014, 10:21 PM	#5
A.alnakkas Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Kuwait Posts: 1,340	Nice dharia. Congrats mate. Agree with Stu on his analysis but I dont think the blade is machine made, but agree on the time line.