Another Moro sword for ID

[slovak]

Dear all,

In my opinion that is surely a Moro Kris. Made in abundance since early 1900's up to today. Moro kris usually has a low quality metal and the blade simply by hammering any steel into a blade. Perhaps their pande lacks the skill to make a real keris. Some however have fancy dresses to make it look valuable. To me, a real keris must incorporate real skill to make it valuable not just from a piece of hammered scrap metal. Unfortunately western collectors had some obsession on this type of kris made popular among themselves to help the poor pandes of the Philiphines. Perhaps it’s their desperation for a living drives them to do such things.

Originally Posted by zelbone

....just call it a sundang to be safe

Zelbone,

Some people call this type of keris a Sundang. It is the same thing, just a difference in terms of language. You can study other languages in the keris nations to have a better understanding. Sometimes having too little knowledge and so much to talk about can be a dangerous thing.

[Spunjer]

Dear all,

In my opinion that is surely a Moro Kris. Made in abundance since early 1900's up to today. Moro kris usually has a low quality metal and the blade simply by hammering any steel into a blade. Perhaps their pande lacks the skill to make a real keris. Some however have fancy dresses to make it look valuable. To me, a real keris must incorporate real skill to make it valuable not just from a piece of hammered scrap metal. Unfortunately western collectors had some obsession on this type of kris made popular among themselves to help the poor pandes of the Philiphines. Perhaps it’s their desperation for a living drives them to do such things.

would love to know your source on this...

Zelbone,

Some people call this type of keris a Sundang. It is the same thing, just a difference in terms of language. You can study other languages in the keris nations to have a better understanding. Sometimes having too little knowledge and so much to talk about can be a dangerous thing.

ouch! easy there, big boy, lol. me think you should get to know the person first before making statements like that...

[slovak]

Hi Laban Tayo,

Yes, it is the same keris, kris, kalis and sundang. Then why does Mr. Zelbone suggested that it should be called a Sundang? Is it because of its inferior quality? Does the so called "Moro Kris" term is for the 'better' (if any) ones? Perhaps our honourable Mr. Zelbone has the answer.

[Spunjer]

lol, let the trolling begin...

Some philiphines migrated to other countries to be karaoke singer just to make a living. Perhaps one of them can make the glorious "moro kris". Its not hard, u have to have a furnance, some left over steel, hammer, chicel and grinder to make the luks. U can examine the kerisses on your cupboard and see.

*walks to the cupboard and inspect my 'kerisses'...*

yup, you're right; i do see the 'chicel' marks on it. now where did i place my karaoke mic?

[Rick]

Originally Posted by Spunjer

lol, let the trolling begin...



*walks to the cupboard and inspect my 'kerisses'...*

yup, you're right; i do see the 'chicel' marks on it. now where did i place my karaoke mic?

Spunjer , they're having auditions Fri. nite at the Chillicothe Holiday Inn .

It's obvious that English is not Mr. 'Slovak's' first language so let's cut him some slack on that ; and ask him to provide references to back up his statements .

[Spunjer]

rick, im so there...

[nechesh]

Well, maybe Mr. Slovak has had a deprived edged weapons childhood. Perhaps some of our members who own some of the more exquisite examples of Moro kris might be willing to post them here for Mr. Slovaks edification.
Your other remarks, Mr. Slovak, which seem to me to border on racism speak to a deprivation in education that i am unwilling to address here. I am happy to see that so far our members of Filippino origin have taken this as a laughing matter, but it doesn't amuse me one bit. I trust you will think before you type and tone it down a bit in the future.

[LabanTayo]

Originally Posted by slovak

Zelbone,

Some people call this type of keris a Sundang. It is the same thing, just a difference in terms of language. You can study other languages in the keris nations to have a better understanding. Sometimes having too little knowledge and so much to talk about can be a dangerous thing.

Slovak,
If that is your educated opinion, then why are you spelling it "keris" ?????
We are talking about a Filipino sword, not a Malay/Indo keris. Considering the language they use in the Moroland, shouldn't it be "kris, kalis or sundang"?

Or should we just call it "bolo or talibong"??