Iraq Dagger

Aurangzeb · 4th November 2005, 11:04 PM

Hi All!

Found a link on Oriental-Arms with a tokouba with a similer pattern on it's hilt.

http://www.oriental-arms.com/item.php?id=606

Mark...

TVV · 4th November 2005, 11:48 PM

Hi Mark, while I cannot contribute any further to this thread, I just want to point out that one of the many fascinating things about ethnographic weapons is that some examples are hard to pin to a particular geographic region. I would guess everyone of us has in his/her possession at least one dagger that is hard to classify.
Right now it is obvious noone here can help you identify the origin of this dagger, but maybe later on some information will surface. What I like most about geographic edged weapons is that each is pretty much unique, and unlike bayonets for example, there is no textbook with patterns and models to tell you exactly where and when a certain piece was produced.

Aurangzeb · 5th November 2005, 02:21 AM

Hello TVV!

As iratating as it is trying to find out where this dagger came from, I will admit that because of it I learned more about the tuaregs, The Mali Empire, West Africa, and Mansa Musa. As Ali ibn Abi-Talib said "There is no whealth like knoledge, no poverty like ignorance" Also the mystery of this dagger makes it all the more facentating, one day I will find out where this dagger is from. As I find more evidence of this dagger I will post it, identifying this dagger has become my latest 'Crusade'!

Mark...

Aurangzeb · 5th November 2005, 10:35 PM

Hello All!

I spent most of today looking for more things about this dagger, I found it. I now feel beyond a resonable doubt that it has a Tuareg origen. So far I have seen a Takouba and a Telek with the exact same pattern of the "X" and line pattern. I have posted the takouba link before but heres the Telek link. I have been using Oriental-Arms as a main resource for comparisons. This chould mean that the Tuareg did/do use jambiyas.

Mark...

http://www.oriental-arms.com/photos.php?id=1359

and a limk to an old thread.

http://www.vikingsword.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000031.html

5th November 2005, 10:35 PM	#4
Aurangzeb Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 306	New evidence of Tuareg Origen!!!!! Hello All! I spent most of today looking for more things about this dagger, I found it. I now feel beyond a resonable doubt that it has a Tuareg origen. So far I have seen a Takouba and a Telek with the exact same pattern of the "X" and line pattern. I have posted the takouba link before but heres the Telek link. I have been using Oriental-Arms as a main resource for comparisons. This chould mean that the Tuareg did/do use jambiyas. Mark... http://www.oriental-arms.com/photos.php?id=1359 and a limk to an old thread. http://www.vikingsword.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000031.html

4th November 2005, 11:04 PM	#1
Aurangzeb Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 306	Hi All! Found a link on Oriental-Arms with a tokouba with a similer pattern on it's hilt. http://www.oriental-arms.com/item.php?id=606 Mark...

4th November 2005, 11:48 PM	#2
TVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area Posts: 1,660	Hi Mark, while I cannot contribute any further to this thread, I just want to point out that one of the many fascinating things about ethnographic weapons is that some examples are hard to pin to a particular geographic region. I would guess everyone of us has in his/her possession at least one dagger that is hard to classify. Right now it is obvious noone here can help you identify the origin of this dagger, but maybe later on some information will surface. What I like most about geographic edged weapons is that each is pretty much unique, and unlike bayonets for example, there is no textbook with patterns and models to tell you exactly where and when a certain piece was produced.

5th November 2005, 02:21 AM	#3
Aurangzeb Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 306	Hello TVV! As iratating as it is trying to find out where this dagger came from, I will admit that because of it I learned more about the tuaregs, The Mali Empire, West Africa, and Mansa Musa. As Ali ibn Abi-Talib said "There is no whealth like knoledge, no poverty like ignorance" Also the mystery of this dagger makes it all the more facentating, one day I will find out where this dagger is from. As I find more evidence of this dagger I will post it, identifying this dagger has become my latest 'Crusade'! Mark...