Two Highly Remarkable Tinderlock Mechanisms, Northern Italy and Nuremberg, ca. 1550

Matchlock · 12th December 2013, 08:01 PM

More detailed views.

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Matchlock · 12th December 2013, 08:13 PM

Three more, and two images of a ca. 1550 Nuremberg arquebus with much the same lock mechanism; the latter are almost 30 years old, so please be tolerant.

At bottom, I enclosed some views of ca. 1566-1570's Styrian double-tinderlock mechanism (tillerlock and snapping tinderlock) calivers in the Landeszeughaus Graz; they all feature the downward bent petronel buttstock the lower end of which was completely encompassed by the right hand and held in front of the arquebusier's breast when firing.

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Marcus den toom · 12th December 2013, 08:38 PM

Hermann historica sold one of these locks on theire 66th auction lot 263.
The "stellschraube" is broken, but it looks like the real deal? Or is this something else?

Matchlock · 12th December 2013, 09:10 PM

Hi Marcus,

I am quite at a loss: Hermann Historica never had an auction n. '263', and the mechanism you scanned is not included either in their sales no. 62 or 63.

Apart from that it is a completely average matchlock of the 1640's (!), the wingnut (Klemmschraube) missing from the serpentine, but without any additional safety wingnut to the sear.

Please see my thread A Matchlock Chronology, ca. 1520-1720 for a very similar mechanism of ca. 1640, the ends of the lockplate also triangular:

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ock+chronology

Best,
Michael

Marcus den toom · 12th December 2013, 09:13 PM

Auction 66, lot number 263.

There is a screw left of the Mark/stamp which has been broken off ?
Or is this just the pivet point for the lock?

Matchlock · 12th December 2013, 09:54 PM

My fault, sorry, Marcus.

I have been working on and for the forum since 9 in the morning (it's an hour to midnight now).

It is a screw but entering from the inside and holding the sear in place; it is not broken off and it does not have a safety function. Each conventional matchlock must have this screw, the earlier ones (like the two I presented here) show rivets in this place.
Again my matchlock chronology 1520-1720 should help settle all questions regarding that earliest and simplest of all igniting mechanisms.

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Marcus den toom · 13th December 2013, 06:51 AM

My excitement came into the way of fact as well. Though i ussually don't see this screw stick out so far, i should have know it to be just the sear/pivot point of the lock mechanism

12th December 2013, 08:01 PM	#1
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	More detailed views. m Attached Images Last edited by Matchlock; 12th December 2013 at 08:11 PM.

12th December 2013, 08:13 PM	#2
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Three more, and two images of a ca. 1550 Nuremberg arquebus with much the same lock mechanism; the latter are almost 30 years old, so please be tolerant. At bottom, I enclosed some views of ca. 1566-1570's Styrian double-tinderlock mechanism (tillerlock and snapping tinderlock) calivers in the Landeszeughaus Graz; they all feature the downward bent petronel buttstock the lower end of which was completely encompassed by the right hand and held in front of the arquebusier's breast when firing. m Attached Images Last edited by Matchlock; 13th December 2013 at 09:53 AM.

12th December 2013, 08:38 PM	#3
Marcus den toom Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Netherlands Posts: 543	Hermann historica sold one of these locks on theire 66th auction lot 263. The "stellschraube" is broken, but it looks like the real deal? Or is this something else?

12th December 2013, 09:10 PM	#4
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Hi Marcus, I am quite at a loss: Hermann Historica never had an auction n. '263', and the mechanism you scanned is not included either in their sales no. 62 or 63. Apart from that it is a completely average matchlock of the 1640's (!), the wingnut (Klemmschraube) missing from the serpentine, but without any additional safety wingnut to the sear. Please see my thread A Matchlock Chronology, ca. 1520-1720 for a very similar mechanism of ca. 1640, the ends of the lockplate also triangular: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ock+chronology Best, Michael

12th December 2013, 09:13 PM	#5
Marcus den toom Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Netherlands Posts: 543	Auction 66, lot number 263. There is a screw left of the Mark/stamp which has been broken off ? Or is this just the pivet point for the lock?

12th December 2013, 09:54 PM	#6
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	My fault, sorry, Marcus. I have been working on and for the forum since 9 in the morning (it's an hour to midnight now). It is a screw but entering from the inside and holding the sear in place; it is not broken off and it does not have a safety function. Each conventional matchlock must have this screw, the earlier ones (like the two I presented here) show rivets in this place. Again my matchlock chronology 1520-1720 should help settle all questions regarding that earliest and simplest of all igniting mechanisms. m

13th December 2013, 06:51 AM	#7
Marcus den toom Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Netherlands Posts: 543	My excitement came into the way of fact as well. Though i ussually don't see this screw stick out so far, i should have know it to be just the sear/pivot point of the lock mechanism