Palembang Keris for your comment

Gustav · 24th November 2013, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by tunggulametung

Thank you for your opinion. The geometry reminds of a classical Javanese blade indeed as if when it come with pamor I would think it is a Javanese trade blade. It would be interesting to hear if other members have different view.

Pamor isn't the crucial matter here, even with pamor it would be a Palembang blade.

A. G. Maisey · 24th November 2013, 08:01 PM

Yes Gustav, you're right, the pivot point is not whether it has pamor or not, but I think what TA might mean is that stylistically this a Javanese blade, probably Surakarta or maybe Banten, and that if it did have pamor it could influence him to think that in fact it came from Jawa, but because it does not have pamor it influences him more towards a Palembang origin.

In fact, from a photo I wouldn't be prepared to give any definite opinion, photos only ever convey a very limited amount of information, doesn't matter how good they are.

Gustav · 24th November 2013, 08:50 PM

Regarding Central Javanese inspired Palembang blades, it is very interesting for me to notice, there seem to be no switch to "internal" greneng till the end of Keris production there, the greneng stays external like on older Javanese or Bali blades.

Also interesting, there are Palembang blades of nearly the same age with both squarish and Solo style Blumbangan.

Here is a link to detail pictures of a good Javanese inspired Palembang blade (please scroll down, yet also the whole thread is very recommended)

http://www.vikingsword.com/ubb/Forum.../000307-2.html

A. G. Maisey · 24th November 2013, 09:24 PM

I don't take a lot of notice of "internal" and "external" greneng, Gustav, but what you say about Palembang keris that follow the Majapahit line, and Palembang keris that follow the Mataram line is very true. There are also Palembang keris that follow the Sunda line, with boto rubuh. I don't know why this should be, but my guess is that the styles would vary depending on the model that the maker was using. I believe these South Sumatra makers would have been using models, rather than composing out of their head, they would have been trying to be correct by following Jawa, and what they produced depended on the model they had to follow. No proof for this, just an idea.

jwkiernan · 26th November 2013, 05:20 AM

Hey guys! Love seeing/reading all the comments! Many way over my head for now, but definitely taking note! Thanks again and hopefully can get some more keris up for you all shortly! Thanks again!

All my best,

John

24th November 2013, 08:01 PM	#2
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,015	Yes Gustav, you're right, the pivot point is not whether it has pamor or not, but I think what TA might mean is that stylistically this a Javanese blade, probably Surakarta or maybe Banten, and that if it did have pamor it could influence him to think that in fact it came from Jawa, but because it does not have pamor it influences him more towards a Palembang origin. In fact, from a photo I wouldn't be prepared to give any definite opinion, photos only ever convey a very limited amount of information, doesn't matter how good they are.

24th November 2013, 08:50 PM	#3
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,280	Regarding Central Javanese inspired Palembang blades, it is very interesting for me to notice, there seem to be no switch to "internal" greneng till the end of Keris production there, the greneng stays external like on older Javanese or Bali blades. Also interesting, there are Palembang blades of nearly the same age with both squarish and Solo style Blumbangan. Here is a link to detail pictures of a good Javanese inspired Palembang blade (please scroll down, yet also the whole thread is very recommended) http://www.vikingsword.com/ubb/Forum.../000307-2.html

24th November 2013, 09:24 PM	#4
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,015	I don't take a lot of notice of "internal" and "external" greneng, Gustav, but what you say about Palembang keris that follow the Majapahit line, and Palembang keris that follow the Mataram line is very true. There are also Palembang keris that follow the Sunda line, with boto rubuh. I don't know why this should be, but my guess is that the styles would vary depending on the model that the maker was using. I believe these South Sumatra makers would have been using models, rather than composing out of their head, they would have been trying to be correct by following Jawa, and what they produced depended on the model they had to follow. No proof for this, just an idea.

26th November 2013, 05:20 AM	#5
jwkiernan Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 37	Hey guys! Love seeing/reading all the comments! Many way over my head for now, but definitely taking note! Thanks again and hopefully can get some more keris up for you all shortly! Thanks again! All my best, John