Great war sword mark for id

fernando · 2nd October 2013, 04:50 PM

I am sorry to tell you Jean-Luc that, the person i was counting on to give us a help in the identification of the marks, is no longer available

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Cerjak · 2nd October 2013, 05:21 PM

Dear Fernando & Lain
Regarding the origin from the sword I had the luck to have been in contact with a precedent owner who had this sword in his collection during 5 years .he bought it from a collection from York in the UK and he was told the sword was bought in Germany in the 80”It is incroyable how this sword is travelling ! In the same time he had send me some information about this arrow find on the forte.
So about the authenticity I can’t have any doubt, he is great collector and also member from the forum and everybody here respect his large knowledge on this kind of sword.

Best regards

Jean-Luc

Iain · 2nd October 2013, 06:09 PM

Hi Jean-Luc,

Yes the arrow is a known symbol, actually the photo you posted highlights one of the things I found puzzling about the marks on your sword - on the photo you posted the style is the usual one for inlays of this type, the main form of the mark is chiseled out and then crossing lines are used to help insure the inlay stays in place. I have examples of this in my own collection. In the photo the inlay is also quite flat with the surface of the steel.

For me it is unusual and interesting your sword.

All the best,
Iain

Cerjak · 3rd October 2013, 04:30 PM

Hi Lain,
Interesting detail about the manufacturing techniques of brass inlays.
I the case of this sword I would like to check if it could be Gold inlays. Because it doesn't look like brass.
In this case do you know if the manufacturing techniques were the same?

Best regards

Jean-Luc

Cerjak · 13th October 2013, 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iain

Hi Jean-Luc,

Yes the arrow is a known symbol, actually the photo you posted highlights one of the things I found puzzling about the marks on your sword - on the photo you posted the style is the usual one for inlays of this type, the main form of the mark is chiseled out and then crossing lines are used to help insure the inlay stays in place. I have examples of this in my own collection. In the photo the inlay is also quite flat with the surface of the steel.

For me it is unusual and interesting your sword.

All the best,
Iain

Some pictures from a type XIIIa with two latten-inlaid arrows

JamesKelly · 14th October 2013, 05:59 PM

Quite a stretch, but something about the arrows in this German mark, p253 Small Arms Makers by Col. Robert E. Gardner seems similar. Original reference Catalog of Sale of Collection of Henry Griffith Keasby, New York, 1925

2nd October 2013, 05:21 PM	#2
Cerjak Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: FRANCE Posts: 1,065	Dear Fernando & Lain Regarding the origin from the sword I had the luck to have been in contact with a precedent owner who had this sword in his collection during 5 years .he bought it from a collection from York in the UK and he was told the sword was bought in Germany in the 80”It is incroyable how this sword is travelling ! In the same time he had send me some information about this arrow find on the forte. So about the authenticity I can’t have any doubt, he is great collector and also member from the forum and everybody here respect his large knowledge on this kind of sword. Best regards Jean-Luc Attached Images

14th October 2013, 05:59 PM	#6
JamesKelly Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Michigan, U.S.A. Posts: 108	Great war sword mark for id Quite a stretch, but something about the arrows in this German mark, p253 Small Arms Makers by Col. Robert E. Gardner seems similar. Original reference Catalog of Sale of Collection of Henry Griffith Keasby, New York, 1925 Attached Images Last edited by JamesKelly; 14th October 2013 at 06:07 PM. Reason: didn't get Photo uploaded properly

2nd October 2013, 04:50 PM	#1
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	I am sorry to tell you Jean-Luc that, the person i was counting on to give us a help in the identification of the marks, is no longer available .

2nd October 2013, 06:09 PM	#3
Iain Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Olomouc Posts: 1,717	Hi Jean-Luc, Yes the arrow is a known symbol, actually the photo you posted highlights one of the things I found puzzling about the marks on your sword - on the photo you posted the style is the usual one for inlays of this type, the main form of the mark is chiseled out and then crossing lines are used to help insure the inlay stays in place. I have examples of this in my own collection. In the photo the inlay is also quite flat with the surface of the steel. For me it is unusual and interesting your sword. All the best, Iain

3rd October 2013, 04:30 PM	#4
Cerjak Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: FRANCE Posts: 1,065	Hi Lain, Interesting detail about the manufacturing techniques of brass inlays. I the case of this sword I would like to check if it could be Gold inlays. Because it doesn't look like brass. In this case do you know if the manufacturing techniques were the same? Best regards Jean-Luc