Bali Hilts

rasjid · 28th August 2013, 10:28 AM

yes David, I mean as substitute, if done properly the finish also smooth similar to ivory material. Ivory still give you better shine and harder material. The Moose material is finer than antler horn and I do have sample from bones (including giraffe bone for my knives), antler horn and ivory.
so, may be back to personal taste..thanks

rasjid · 28th August 2013, 02:24 PM

Some more....

Can someone tell me the story or any reason that this Bali handle in the old days they use human hair? The owner's hair or some one else's?
Thanks in advance

David · 28th August 2013, 03:41 PM

Nice cekak redut (accordian stye) example you show her Rasjid.
On the hair, are you sure the hair on your example is human? I have one of these hilts and the hair just seems too coarse to be human. But i can think of numerous reasons from a magickal perspective why using one's own hair in this context would be effective in strengthening the bond between owner and weapon.

VVV · 28th August 2013, 03:49 PM

Usually the hair on these Balinese hilts are from horse's hair.
However, I have heard that human hair quite often was used to fasten the hilt to the pesi...

Michael

David · 28th August 2013, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by VVV

Usually the hair on these Balinese hilts are from horse's hair.
However, I have heard that human hair quite often was used to fasten the hilt to the pesi...

Michael

Yes Michael, i have encountered this, but on Javanese keris only. Do you know if it was a practice outside of Jawa?

Sajen · 28th August 2013, 04:24 PM

Variations in style, age and material.

Sajen · 28th August 2013, 04:27 PM

Bondolan.

Sajen · 28th August 2013, 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David

Yes Michael, i have encountered this, but on Javanese keris only. Do you know if it was a practice outside of Jawa?

Have found some years ago a Bali keris where the hilt was attached with hair. And have heard that human hair was used by this cenangan hilts sometimes but normally was used horse hair.

rasjid · 28th August 2013, 06:37 PM

David, I'm not saying my hilt is using human hair, just heard story about it. I'm not keen to do some testing anyway

. Looks like many other stories around it.

The cekah / cekahan solas is made from black wood and solas is sebelas ( eleven). I believe Alan's is 23 cuts or more? Havent count it yet.

A. G. Maisey · 30th August 2013, 02:29 AM

Three more, whale's teeth.

Teeth bought in Sydney in 1970's, salvaged from the sea bed rubbish dump of a whaling station in Western Australia. The teeth were taken to Bali and carved there. I did not order specific motifs, and left this to the carver.

28th August 2013, 10:28 AM	#1
rasjid Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Jakarta - Indonesia Posts: 114	yes David, I mean as substitute, if done properly the finish also smooth similar to ivory material. Ivory still give you better shine and harder material. The Moose material is finer than antler horn and I do have sample from bones (including giraffe bone for my knives), antler horn and ivory. so, may be back to personal taste..thanks Last edited by rasjid; 28th August 2013 at 02:18 PM.

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rasjid Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Jakarta - Indonesia Posts: 114	Some more.... Can someone tell me the story or any reason that this Bali handle in the old days they use human hair? The owner's hair or some one else's? Thanks in advance Attached Images

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Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,165	Variations in style, age and material. Attached Images

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Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,165	Bondolan. Attached Images

28th August 2013, 06:37 PM	#9
rasjid Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Jakarta - Indonesia Posts: 114	David, I'm not saying my hilt is using human hair, just heard story about it. I'm not keen to do some testing anyway . Looks like many other stories around it. The cekah / cekahan solas is made from black wood and solas is sebelas ( eleven). I believe Alan's is 23 cuts or more? Havent count it yet. Last edited by rasjid; 29th August 2013 at 02:13 AM.

28th August 2013, 03:41 PM	#3
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,211	Nice cekak redut (accordian stye) example you show her Rasjid. On the hair, are you sure the hair on your example is human? I have one of these hilts and the hair just seems too coarse to be human. But i can think of numerous reasons from a magickal perspective why using one's own hair in this context would be effective in strengthening the bond between owner and weapon.

28th August 2013, 03:49 PM	#4
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Usually the hair on these Balinese hilts are from horse's hair. However, I have heard that human hair quite often was used to fasten the hilt to the pesi... Michael

30th August 2013, 02:29 AM	#10
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,992	Three more, whale's teeth. Teeth bought in Sydney in 1970's, salvaged from the sea bed rubbish dump of a whaling station in Western Australia. The teeth were taken to Bali and carved there. I did not order specific motifs, and left this to the carver. Attached Images