Bali Hilts

rasjid · 27th August 2013, 03:31 PM

Two made by IB Pastika, all material is made from moose horn / elk.
Once polished the old moose material is as good as ivory. Now adays plenty in Bali.

David · 27th August 2013, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by rasjid

Once polished the old moose material is as good as ivory.

hmmm...i'm not sure i understand what that means. As good as ivory in what way?

Beautiful carvings BTW.

Jean · 27th August 2013, 07:03 PM

Will the colour and structure of moose antler remain stable or reach a nice patinated aspect with time or not? If yes, it is indeed an excellent substitute to ivory. However I have noticed traces of uneven shades on some pieces made from moose antler and posted on Ebay.
These carvings are very fine but "too much" for my taste

Regards

David · 27th August 2013, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Jean

Will the colour and structure of moose antler remain stable or reach a nice patinated aspect with time or not? If yes, it is indeed an excellent substitute to ivory. However I have noticed traces of uneven shades on some pieces made from moose antler and posted on Ebay.
These carvings are very fine but "too much" for my taste

Regards

As a "substitute" for ivory to stem the slaughter of elephants for that valuable material, i agree. I just can't see this material as being "as good as" ivory. It doesn't have the depth and character of that material (at least not in any example i have seen) and it won't no matter how long it ages.

They are indeed perhaps a bit too fine for some tastes, but i do really like the detail in the kocet-kocetan hilt.

rasjid · 28th August 2013, 10:28 AM

yes David, I mean as substitute, if done properly the finish also smooth similar to ivory material. Ivory still give you better shine and harder material. The Moose material is finer than antler horn and I do have sample from bones (including giraffe bone for my knives), antler horn and ivory.
so, may be back to personal taste..thanks

rasjid · 28th August 2013, 02:24 PM

Some more....

Can someone tell me the story or any reason that this Bali handle in the old days they use human hair? The owner's hair or some one else's?
Thanks in advance

David · 28th August 2013, 03:41 PM

Nice cekak redut (accordian stye) example you show her Rasjid.
On the hair, are you sure the hair on your example is human? I have one of these hilts and the hair just seems too coarse to be human. But i can think of numerous reasons from a magickal perspective why using one's own hair in this context would be effective in strengthening the bond between owner and weapon.

27th August 2013, 03:31 PM	#1
rasjid Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Jakarta - Indonesia Posts: 114	New Bali Hilts Two made by IB Pastika, all material is made from moose horn / elk. Once polished the old moose material is as good as ivory. Now adays plenty in Bali. Attached Images

28th August 2013, 10:28 AM	#5
rasjid Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Jakarta - Indonesia Posts: 114	yes David, I mean as substitute, if done properly the finish also smooth similar to ivory material. Ivory still give you better shine and harder material. The Moose material is finer than antler horn and I do have sample from bones (including giraffe bone for my knives), antler horn and ivory. so, may be back to personal taste..thanks Last edited by rasjid; 28th August 2013 at 02:18 PM.

28th August 2013, 02:24 PM	#6
rasjid Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Jakarta - Indonesia Posts: 114	Some more.... Can someone tell me the story or any reason that this Bali handle in the old days they use human hair? The owner's hair or some one else's? Thanks in advance Attached Images

27th August 2013, 07:03 PM	#3
Jean Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,740	Will the colour and structure of moose antler remain stable or reach a nice patinated aspect with time or not? If yes, it is indeed an excellent substitute to ivory. However I have noticed traces of uneven shades on some pieces made from moose antler and posted on Ebay. These carvings are very fine but "too much" for my taste Regards

28th August 2013, 03:41 PM	#7
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,211	Nice cekak redut (accordian stye) example you show her Rasjid. On the hair, are you sure the hair on your example is human? I have one of these hilts and the hair just seems too coarse to be human. But i can think of numerous reasons from a magickal perspective why using one's own hair in this context would be effective in strengthening the bond between owner and weapon.