swords of Mohammed, but what about...

Jim McDougall · 3rd January 2005, 04:10 AM

Mike,
Outstanding!! Thank you for this excellent explanation on the extremely important details concerning the early history of Islam.
It is really great to see you posting here! Looking forward to your valuable input on the weaponry of Arabia and for your perspective on the often delicate discussion of matters pertaining to the Islamic Faith.
Best regards and welcome!!
Jim

M.carter · 3rd January 2005, 12:21 PM

Thanks Andrew, Jim for the warm welcome.

Unfortunately no Andrew, I havent had the opportunity to go see those swords in Topkapi, but I shall look to it that I make a trip there, I always wonder what these swords are doing in Turkey anyway?!

They should be in somewhere like Mecca or Madina in S.Arabia.

Rivkin · 3rd January 2005, 02:41 PM

Well, Ottoman empire did more or less control Mecca till late XVIII century..

M.carter · 3rd January 2005, 03:00 PM

Yes but Mecca was independant in rule from the Ottomans, the Bani Hashim (Sharifs) ruled it since the fall of the Abbasid Empire until Ibn Saud banished Sharif Hussein from Mecca, but that still doesnt explain why these swords shouldnt be found in Mecca, which is the holiest site for Muslims, not Istanbul.

Andrew · 3rd January 2005, 04:24 PM

Spoils of war, I'd guess.

Rivkin · 3rd January 2005, 05:09 PM

Well, still the title "Caliph of Mecca" was not an arabic one, and while independent on domestic issues, it did not mean the full independance.

Concerning the place - well, the spear of destiny is not in jerusalem either, so it's more of a privilage of powerful to control the religious artifacts.

3rd January 2005, 04:10 AM	#1
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,570	Mike, Outstanding!! Thank you for this excellent explanation on the extremely important details concerning the early history of Islam. It is really great to see you posting here! Looking forward to your valuable input on the weaponry of Arabia and for your perspective on the often delicate discussion of matters pertaining to the Islamic Faith. Best regards and welcome!! Jim

3rd January 2005, 12:21 PM	#2
M.carter Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 176	Thanks Andrew, Jim for the warm welcome. Unfortunately no Andrew, I havent had the opportunity to go see those swords in Topkapi, but I shall look to it that I make a trip there, I always wonder what these swords are doing in Turkey anyway?! They should be in somewhere like Mecca or Madina in S.Arabia.

3rd January 2005, 02:41 PM	#3
Rivkin Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 655	Well, Ottoman empire did more or less control Mecca till late XVIII century..

3rd January 2005, 03:00 PM	#4
M.carter Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 176	Yes but Mecca was independant in rule from the Ottomans, the Bani Hashim (Sharifs) ruled it since the fall of the Abbasid Empire until Ibn Saud banished Sharif Hussein from Mecca, but that still doesnt explain why these swords shouldnt be found in Mecca, which is the holiest site for Muslims, not Istanbul.

3rd January 2005, 04:24 PM	#5
Andrew Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: USA Posts: 1,725	Spoils of war, I'd guess.

3rd January 2005, 05:09 PM	#6
Rivkin Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 655	Well, still the title "Caliph of Mecca" was not an arabic one, and while independent on domestic issues, it did not mean the full independance. Concerning the place - well, the spear of destiny is not in jerusalem either, so it's more of a privilage of powerful to control the religious artifacts.