two knifes for id

weapons 27 · 11th January 2013, 05:39 PM

Hello to all
can you give me the origin of these two knives
the largest measuring 33 cm long, blade 18 cm
There is a marking on the blade rest
the handle is in ivory

the small measuring 24.5 cm long, the blade 13 cm
a marking on the blade
the handle is in ivory
the scabbard is made of leather with drawings

weapons 27 · 11th January 2013, 05:41 PM

the small knife

David · 11th January 2013, 07:01 PM

We have had a thread on these knives sometime in the past year. Not sure if the origins were definitely decided. Anyone have the link?

Blacksmith · 11th January 2013, 08:34 PM

My guess is that these are from Tibet. I saw the same type of knives on the border area between Nepal and Tibet when I was trawelling there on 2007.
Regards, Timo

katana · 11th January 2013, 10:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David

We have had a thread on these knives sometime in the past year. Not sure if the origins were definitely decided. Anyone have the link?

It may be this thread ....

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=5314

Kind Regards David

Atlantia · 11th January 2013, 11:28 PM

Hmmm, I've seen several attributions for these knives. All with some merit. But I've never seen one with a scabbard, until now.
The scabbard on this example reminds me of some Khodmi scabbards.

David · 11th January 2013, 11:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by katana

It may be this thread ....

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=5314

Kind Regards David

That's one of them, but i think there was also a thread just on the knife in that thread that is like the ones in this thread...

kronckew · 12th January 2013, 08:40 AM

that might be this one: Thread link

do a search on 'khodmi', there are more threads with this style. on this particular knife style the opinions vary from scandanavia to north africa, and to tibet and burma on the other side. it might even BE a khodmi. or not.

i'd be safe to say it is probably NOT n. or s. american.

the red dotted circle motif seems to be universal, or worldwide.

Atlantia · 12th January 2013, 12:55 PM

These have started to turn up regularly over the last year or two. They clearly represent a specific type and not just a couple of atypical anomalies.
I was leaning toward the Burmese attribution as proposed by Jonathan (Spiral) and others.
But I would have expected a 'more Burmese' scabbard if that was the case

As I said above, the scabbard on it's own would make me think Algeria/North Africa.
The stepped bolsters also remind me of the Khodmi.
Here are a couple of pictures of a Khodmi of mine to show where my meandering thought process is headed.
Sorry it's still in the 'to be cleaned' group!

P.S. This Khodmi is dated 1929.

David · 12th January 2013, 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kronckew

that might be this one: Thread link

do a search on 'khodmi', there are more threads with this style. on this particular knife style the opinions vary from scandanavia to north africa, and to tibet and burma on the other side. it might even BE a khodmi. or not.

i'd be safe to say it is probably NOT n. or s. american.

the red dotted circle motif seems to be universal, or worldwide.

Bingo! That's the thread i was thinking of. Thanks Kronckew.

chregu · 12th January 2013, 09:18 PM

hello together
this topic is still relevant. smile
I am also not yet progressed, my feeling still says Central Asia.
here's a link

http://vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=11216

greeting Chregu

Atlantia · 13th January 2013, 12:33 PM

Just found this one trawling the net for pictures:

Richard G · 16th January 2013, 05:31 PM

Anthony Tirri in his "Islamic and Native Weapons of Colonial Africa" has this down as Maure, which I think is just a French spelling of Moor. Basically it is the Arab\Berber population of the western Mahgreb\Sahel\Sahara.
Best wishes
Richard

Atlantia · 16th January 2013, 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Richard G

Anthony Tirri in his "Islamic and Native Weapons of Colonial Africa" has this down as Maure, which I think is just a French spelling of Moor. Basically it is the Arab\Berber population of the western Mahgreb\Sahel\Sahara.
Best wishes
Richard

The Berber connection would certainly explain the similarities to the Khodmi.

hastubbs · 5th August 2013, 08:18 PM

hi,

i recently got two of these on eBay. the seller seemed to think they were from Assam.

rather mysterious given all teh comments.

cheers,
skip

katana · 6th August 2013, 01:35 PM

We have had discussions on a number of knives and a Ram Dao with similar markings . This Ram Dao is attributed to Assam notice the markings on the blade .....click the appropriate pic to enlarge..

Regards David

11th January 2013, 05:39 PM	#1
weapons 27 Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 462	two knifes for id Hello to all can you give me the origin of these two knives the largest measuring 33 cm long, blade 18 cm There is a marking on the blade rest the handle is in ivory the small measuring 24.5 cm long, the blade 13 cm a marking on the blade the handle is in ivory the scabbard is made of leather with drawings Attached Images

11th January 2013, 05:41 PM	#2
weapons 27 Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 462	the small knife Attached Images

12th January 2013, 12:55 PM	#9
Atlantia Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Sharp end Posts: 2,928	These have started to turn up regularly over the last year or two. They clearly represent a specific type and not just a couple of atypical anomalies. I was leaning toward the Burmese attribution as proposed by Jonathan (Spiral) and others. But I would have expected a 'more Burmese' scabbard if that was the case As I said above, the scabbard on it's own would make me think Algeria/North Africa. The stepped bolsters also remind me of the Khodmi. Here are a couple of pictures of a Khodmi of mine to show where my meandering thought process is headed. Sorry it's still in the 'to be cleaned' group! P.S. This Khodmi is dated 1929. Attached Images

13th January 2013, 12:33 PM	#12
Atlantia Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Sharp end Posts: 2,928	Just found this one trawling the net for pictures: Attached Images

16th January 2013, 05:31 PM	#13
Richard G Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 406	Anthony Tirri in his "Islamic and Native Weapons of Colonial Africa" has this down as Maure, which I think is just a French spelling of Moor. Basically it is the Arab\Berber population of the western Mahgreb\Sahel\Sahara. Best wishes Richard Attached Images

11th January 2013, 07:01 PM	#3
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,125	We have had a thread on these knives sometime in the past year. Not sure if the origins were definitely decided. Anyone have the link?

11th January 2013, 08:34 PM	#4
Blacksmith Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Finland Posts: 98	My guess is that these are from Tibet. I saw the same type of knives on the border area between Nepal and Tibet when I was trawelling there on 2007. Regards, Timo

11th January 2013, 11:28 PM	#6
Atlantia Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Sharp end Posts: 2,928	Hmmm, I've seen several attributions for these knives. All with some merit. But I've never seen one with a scabbard, until now. The scabbard on this example reminds me of some Khodmi scabbards.

12th January 2013, 08:40 AM	#8
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,184	that might be this one: Thread link do a search on 'khodmi', there are more threads with this style. on this particular knife style the opinions vary from scandanavia to north africa, and to tibet and burma on the other side. it might even BE a khodmi. or not. i'd be safe to say it is probably NOT n. or s. american. the red dotted circle motif seems to be universal, or worldwide.

12th January 2013, 09:18 PM	#11
chregu Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: switzerland Posts: 298	hello together this topic is still relevant. smile I am also not yet progressed, my feeling still says Central Asia. here's a link http://vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=11216 greeting Chregu

5th August 2013, 08:18 PM	#15
hastubbs Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Northern California Posts: 2	likely origin? hi, i recently got two of these on eBay. the seller seemed to think they were from Assam. rather mysterious given all teh comments. cheers, skip

6th August 2013, 01:35 PM	#16
katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,653	We have had discussions on a number of knives and a Ram Dao with similar markings . This Ram Dao is attributed to Assam notice the markings on the blade .....click the appropriate pic to enlarge.. Regards David Last edited by Robert; 6th August 2013 at 07:26 PM. Reason: Links to items being offered for sale are expressly prohibited by forum rules.