MOST DESIRED OCEANIC WAR CLUBS 3: FIJI

VANDOO · 19th July 2013, 10:14 PM

A NICE LOOKING CLUB WITH WHAT APPEARS TO BE A VERY LONG SPIKE WITH A NICE THICKENED POINT.

WHAT ARE ITS MEASUREMENTS?

KraVseR · 20th July 2013, 06:47 AM

Thank you! Are you want to tell about other weapons of Oceania? Samoa, Hawaii, Easter Island? Very interesting!

VANDOO · 20th July 2013, 05:46 PM

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ight=marquesas
HERE IS A URL FOR THE FIRST POST IN A SERIES OF 3 ON CLUBS THERE IS ONE ON THE COOK ISLANDS AS WELL. I WILL ADD TO THESE POSTS AND CREATE ONES ON OTHER AREAS AS I FIND TIME. I AM GLAD TO SEE THERE IS INTREST IN SUCH POSTS AS THERE ARE MANY VIEWS BUT FEW POSTS OR ITEMS ADDED BY OTHERS, I ALWAYS ENJOY ANYONE ADDING EXAMPLES FROM THEIR COLLECTIONS OR FURTHER INFORMATION OR CORRECTIONS WHEN I GO WRONG.

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...t=COOK+ISLANDS
HERE IS THE URL FOR THE OTHER ONE.

KraVseR · 21st July 2013, 10:04 AM

Thank you, I've seen them.
I'm interested, there will be 4 Part?

VANDOO · 23rd July 2013, 02:28 AM

STILL WORKING MY WAY THRU FIJI CLUBS

CULACULA CLUB FORM. THE WORD MEANS CRAB IN FIJI. WITH IMAGINATION THE TWO SIDE SPIKES AND WIDE BODY RESEMBLE THE CRABS CARAPACE. THESE CLUBS WERE USED WITH THE SHARP EDGE TO STRIKE NOT THE FLAT. THE FLAT COULD BE USED TO DEFLECT OR SORT OF AS A SMALL SHIELD. THE CLUB DELIVERED A STRIKE LIKE AN AX AND WOULD EASILY BREAK BONES AND COULD SPLIT FLESH. THIS FORM WAS FOUND ON TONGA AND SAMOA AS WELL AND LIKELY IN OTHER AREAS OF OCEANA. SEE CLUNNIES FIG.7 PAGE 55 FOR EXAMPLES AND INFORMATION.
A SIMULAR FORM WAS REFERED TO AS KINIKINI INFORMATION ON THESE IS FOUND IN CLUNNIE ON FIG 8 PAGE 56. THE LARGER FANCY CARVED EXAMPLES ARE LIKELY CHIEFS CLUBS. IF SOMEONE HAS A SCANNER PERHAPS THESE TWO PLATES CAN BE ADDED TO THIS POST.
I HAVE TAKEN THE LIBERTY OF ADDING ONE PICTURE OF ANOTHER MEMBERS FIJI CLUBS WHICH INCLUDES TWO EXAMPLES OF THIS FORM THE LARGE CHIEFS ONE IS 51 INCHES.MOST THAT I HAVE ARE AROUND 91 CM LONG I WILL TRY TO TAKE PICTURES OF THEM LATER.

Albert · 23rd July 2013, 09:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VANDOO

A NICE LOOKING CLUB WITH WHAT APPEARS TO BE A VERY LONG SPIKE WITH A NICE THICKENED POINT.

WHAT ARE ITS MEASUREMENTS?

The total length is 76.5 cm, the length of the spike is approximately 10 cm (depending on where you measure it), and the diameter of the handle is 3.5 cm.

VANDOO · 13th August 2013, 10:39 PM

HERE ARE MY 5 EXAMPLES OF THE CULACULA FORM OF CLUB. THREE HAVE THE FLARED FLAT BUTT END FOUND ON CLUBS WITH TONGAN INFLUENCES NONE HAVE THE SMALL LUG WITH A HOLE FOUND ON OLDER EXAMPLES I SUSPECT THESE ARE FROM THE 1960'S OR LATER CARVED IN FIJI. THE TWO OLDER EXAMPLES HAVE THE PHALLIC END WHICH I BELEAVE TO BE THE OLDER FORM. THE SMALLEST EXAMPLE IS 32.5 IN. LONG AND IS THE OLDEST PERHAPS 1920'S OR OLDER AND APPEARS TO HAVE BEEN MADE WITH PRIMATIVE TOOLS. THE LARGEST ONE IS 44 IN. LONG AND LIKELY FROM THE 1930'S TO 1950'S. THE LARGE ONE CAME OFF THE WALLS OF A OLD TIKI BAR FROM THE 1930'S TO 1950'S NOW LONG GONE.

3 PICTURES OF A RECENTLY MADE FIJI CLUB WITH FIBER WRAP 28IN. X 8 INCHES.

VANDOO · 13th August 2013, 10:51 PM

A RARE CLUB FOUND IN CLUNIE'S BOOK ON PLATE 13 FIGURE E DESCRIBED ON PAGE 57 AS."Soke-mantau the knobby axe or knobby club ". THIS IS THE FORM I THINK LOOKS LIKE AN OCTOPUS TENTACLE WITH SUCTION CUPS. I HAVE AN EXAMPLE CARVED IN FIIJI CIRC 1960.

VANDOO · 14th August 2013, 06:50 PM

THE CLUB REFERED TO AS THE GUGU OR TIVITIVI IS THOUGHT TO HAVE BEEN FOR CEREMONIAL USE NOT WAR. MOST ARE THOUGHT TO HAVE ORIGINATED IN THE INTERIOR OF VIVI LEVU AND HAVE TONGAN INFLUENCE AS MANY LIVED IN THE REGION BUT MAY HAVE BEEN MORE WIDE SPREAD.
SOMETIMES CALLED LOTUS CLUBS OR AX BIT CLUBS THEY ACTUALLY REPRESENT THE BUTTERFLY FISH. BUTTERFLY FISH ARE REFERED TO AS GUGU OR TIVITIVI AND TRADE HATCHETS WERE SOMETIMES REFERRED TO AS TIVITIVI DUE TO THE WAY THE AX HEAD IS MOUNTED ON THE SHAFT AT A DIFFERENT ANGLE TO THE BLADE OF AN ADZ.
THERE IS THOUGHT TO BE TWO BASIC FORMS OF THIS CLUB.
1. A PLAIN LIGHT FORM WITH AN OVAL HANDLE AND OFTEN A HOLE IS DRILLED JUST BELOW THE HEAD.
2. A HEAVIER ORNATELY CARVED ONE WITH A ROUND HANDLE AND SOMETIMES HUMAN OR OTHER FIGURES CARVED IN THE DECORATIONS IN TONGAN DESIGN.
THIS INFORMATION AND MORE CAN BE FOUND IN CLUNIE ON PAGE 54 WITH DRAWINGS OF VARIOUS EXAMPLES OF THE CLUBS ON FIG. 4

THE FIRST TWO PICTURES ARE OF A RATHER CRUDELY CARVED SMALL 27 INCH EXAMPLE IT DOSEN'T LOOK LIKE A REPLICA FOR TOURISTS AND SHOWS SOME AGE AND WEAR SO MAY BE FOR USE OR JUST SOMEONE PRACTICING CARVING ONE? IT WILL BE THE SHORT CLUB PICTURED WITH MY OTHER 2 EXAMPLES. SORRY ABOUT PICTURE QUALITY NO GOOD SUN HERE TODAY. THE LAST PICTURES ARE OF MY 3 CLUBS THE SHORT ONE MENTIONED ABOVE THE MIDDLE SIZE APPEARS TO BE THE TYPE 1 MENTIONED BY CLUNIE THE LARGE ONE IS THE HEAVY FULLY CARVED TYPE 2 FORM. MIDDLE SIZE CLUB 33INCHES, LARGE CLUB 41.5 INCHES.

KraVseR · 14th August 2013, 08:16 PM

Thank you!
What is the length of these clubs?

VANDOO · 14th August 2013, 11:22 PM

MY LONGEST CLUB IS 41.5 INCHES LONG AND HAS THE HUMAN FIGURE AND IS FULLY CARVED. IN CLUNIES BOOK IT SHOWS A SIMULAR TYPE TWO CLUB WHICH IS ALSO LONGER THAN THE THREE TYPE ONE CLUBS REPRESENTED ON THE SAME PLATE. THE SHORTER TYPE 1 FORM IS 33 INCHES LONG SO I AM ASSUMING THAT TO BE THE GENERAL SIZE RANGE FOR THIS FORM.
MOST ALL OF MY INFORMATION COMES FROM BOOKS NOTABLY CLUNIE'S BOOK ON FIJI WEAPONS. THE ONLY GOOD REASON I CAN THINK OF TO MAKE A REFRENCE POST LIKE THIS AND MY OTHERS IS THAT I AND OTHERS CAN ADD PICTURES OF A VARIETY OF THESE FORMS OF CLUB AND ANY OTHER INFORMATION THEY MAY HAVE. CLUNIE'S BOOK HAS DRAWINGS SO ITS NICE TO HAVE A REFRENCE WITH PICTURES OF THE ACTUAL CLUBS AND EVEN NEWER REPLICAS ADD TO THE INFORMATION. HERE IS A PICTURE OF ANOTHER EXAMPLE

23rd July 2013, 02:28 AM	#5
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	STILL WORKING MY WAY THRU FIJI CLUBS CULACULA CLUB FORM. THE WORD MEANS CRAB IN FIJI. WITH IMAGINATION THE TWO SIDE SPIKES AND WIDE BODY RESEMBLE THE CRABS CARAPACE. THESE CLUBS WERE USED WITH THE SHARP EDGE TO STRIKE NOT THE FLAT. THE FLAT COULD BE USED TO DEFLECT OR SORT OF AS A SMALL SHIELD. THE CLUB DELIVERED A STRIKE LIKE AN AX AND WOULD EASILY BREAK BONES AND COULD SPLIT FLESH. THIS FORM WAS FOUND ON TONGA AND SAMOA AS WELL AND LIKELY IN OTHER AREAS OF OCEANA. SEE CLUNNIES FIG.7 PAGE 55 FOR EXAMPLES AND INFORMATION. A SIMULAR FORM WAS REFERED TO AS KINIKINI INFORMATION ON THESE IS FOUND IN CLUNNIE ON FIG 8 PAGE 56. THE LARGER FANCY CARVED EXAMPLES ARE LIKELY CHIEFS CLUBS. IF SOMEONE HAS A SCANNER PERHAPS THESE TWO PLATES CAN BE ADDED TO THIS POST. I HAVE TAKEN THE LIBERTY OF ADDING ONE PICTURE OF ANOTHER MEMBERS FIJI CLUBS WHICH INCLUDES TWO EXAMPLES OF THIS FORM THE LARGE CHIEFS ONE IS 51 INCHES.MOST THAT I HAVE ARE AROUND 91 CM LONG I WILL TRY TO TAKE PICTURES OF THEM LATER. Attached Images Last edited by VANDOO; 23rd July 2013 at 03:35 AM.

13th August 2013, 10:39 PM	#7
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	HERE ARE MY 5 EXAMPLES OF THE CULACULA FORM OF CLUB. THREE HAVE THE FLARED FLAT BUTT END FOUND ON CLUBS WITH TONGAN INFLUENCES NONE HAVE THE SMALL LUG WITH A HOLE FOUND ON OLDER EXAMPLES I SUSPECT THESE ARE FROM THE 1960'S OR LATER CARVED IN FIJI. THE TWO OLDER EXAMPLES HAVE THE PHALLIC END WHICH I BELEAVE TO BE THE OLDER FORM. THE SMALLEST EXAMPLE IS 32.5 IN. LONG AND IS THE OLDEST PERHAPS 1920'S OR OLDER AND APPEARS TO HAVE BEEN MADE WITH PRIMATIVE TOOLS. THE LARGEST ONE IS 44 IN. LONG AND LIKELY FROM THE 1930'S TO 1950'S. THE LARGE ONE CAME OFF THE WALLS OF A OLD TIKI BAR FROM THE 1930'S TO 1950'S NOW LONG GONE. 3 PICTURES OF A RECENTLY MADE FIJI CLUB WITH FIBER WRAP 28IN. X 8 INCHES. Attached Images Last edited by VANDOO; 13th August 2013 at 11:59 PM.

13th August 2013, 10:51 PM	#8
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	A RARE CLUB FOUND IN CLUNIE'S BOOK ON PLATE 13 FIGURE E DESCRIBED ON PAGE 57 AS."Soke-mantau the knobby axe or knobby club ". THIS IS THE FORM I THINK LOOKS LIKE AN OCTOPUS TENTACLE WITH SUCTION CUPS. I HAVE AN EXAMPLE CARVED IN FIIJI CIRC 1960. Attached Images

14th August 2013, 06:50 PM	#9
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	THE CLUB REFERED TO AS THE GUGU OR TIVITIVI IS THOUGHT TO HAVE BEEN FOR CEREMONIAL USE NOT WAR. MOST ARE THOUGHT TO HAVE ORIGINATED IN THE INTERIOR OF VIVI LEVU AND HAVE TONGAN INFLUENCE AS MANY LIVED IN THE REGION BUT MAY HAVE BEEN MORE WIDE SPREAD. SOMETIMES CALLED LOTUS CLUBS OR AX BIT CLUBS THEY ACTUALLY REPRESENT THE BUTTERFLY FISH. BUTTERFLY FISH ARE REFERED TO AS GUGU OR TIVITIVI AND TRADE HATCHETS WERE SOMETIMES REFERRED TO AS TIVITIVI DUE TO THE WAY THE AX HEAD IS MOUNTED ON THE SHAFT AT A DIFFERENT ANGLE TO THE BLADE OF AN ADZ. THERE IS THOUGHT TO BE TWO BASIC FORMS OF THIS CLUB. 1. A PLAIN LIGHT FORM WITH AN OVAL HANDLE AND OFTEN A HOLE IS DRILLED JUST BELOW THE HEAD. 2. A HEAVIER ORNATELY CARVED ONE WITH A ROUND HANDLE AND SOMETIMES HUMAN OR OTHER FIGURES CARVED IN THE DECORATIONS IN TONGAN DESIGN. THIS INFORMATION AND MORE CAN BE FOUND IN CLUNIE ON PAGE 54 WITH DRAWINGS OF VARIOUS EXAMPLES OF THE CLUBS ON FIG. 4 THE FIRST TWO PICTURES ARE OF A RATHER CRUDELY CARVED SMALL 27 INCH EXAMPLE IT DOSEN'T LOOK LIKE A REPLICA FOR TOURISTS AND SHOWS SOME AGE AND WEAR SO MAY BE FOR USE OR JUST SOMEONE PRACTICING CARVING ONE? IT WILL BE THE SHORT CLUB PICTURED WITH MY OTHER 2 EXAMPLES. SORRY ABOUT PICTURE QUALITY NO GOOD SUN HERE TODAY. THE LAST PICTURES ARE OF MY 3 CLUBS THE SHORT ONE MENTIONED ABOVE THE MIDDLE SIZE APPEARS TO BE THE TYPE 1 MENTIONED BY CLUNIE THE LARGE ONE IS THE HEAVY FULLY CARVED TYPE 2 FORM. MIDDLE SIZE CLUB 33INCHES, LARGE CLUB 41.5 INCHES. Attached Images Last edited by VANDOO; 14th August 2013 at 08:16 PM.

14th August 2013, 11:22 PM	#11
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	MY LONGEST CLUB IS 41.5 INCHES LONG AND HAS THE HUMAN FIGURE AND IS FULLY CARVED. IN CLUNIES BOOK IT SHOWS A SIMULAR TYPE TWO CLUB WHICH IS ALSO LONGER THAN THE THREE TYPE ONE CLUBS REPRESENTED ON THE SAME PLATE. THE SHORTER TYPE 1 FORM IS 33 INCHES LONG SO I AM ASSUMING THAT TO BE THE GENERAL SIZE RANGE FOR THIS FORM. MOST ALL OF MY INFORMATION COMES FROM BOOKS NOTABLY CLUNIE'S BOOK ON FIJI WEAPONS. THE ONLY GOOD REASON I CAN THINK OF TO MAKE A REFRENCE POST LIKE THIS AND MY OTHERS IS THAT I AND OTHERS CAN ADD PICTURES OF A VARIETY OF THESE FORMS OF CLUB AND ANY OTHER INFORMATION THEY MAY HAVE. CLUNIE'S BOOK HAS DRAWINGS SO ITS NICE TO HAVE A REFRENCE WITH PICTURES OF THE ACTUAL CLUBS AND EVEN NEWER REPLICAS ADD TO THE INFORMATION. HERE IS A PICTURE OF ANOTHER EXAMPLE Attached Images Last edited by VANDOO; 15th August 2013 at 08:52 PM.

19th July 2013, 10:14 PM	#1
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	A NICE LOOKING CLUB WITH WHAT APPEARS TO BE A VERY LONG SPIKE WITH A NICE THICKENED POINT. WHAT ARE ITS MEASUREMENTS?

20th July 2013, 06:47 AM	#2
KraVseR Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Ukraine Posts: 128	Thank you! Are you want to tell about other weapons of Oceania? Samoa, Hawaii, Easter Island? Very interesting!

20th July 2013, 05:46 PM	#3
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ight=marquesas HERE IS A URL FOR THE FIRST POST IN A SERIES OF 3 ON CLUBS THERE IS ONE ON THE COOK ISLANDS AS WELL. I WILL ADD TO THESE POSTS AND CREATE ONES ON OTHER AREAS AS I FIND TIME. I AM GLAD TO SEE THERE IS INTREST IN SUCH POSTS AS THERE ARE MANY VIEWS BUT FEW POSTS OR ITEMS ADDED BY OTHERS, I ALWAYS ENJOY ANYONE ADDING EXAMPLES FROM THEIR COLLECTIONS OR FURTHER INFORMATION OR CORRECTIONS WHEN I GO WRONG. http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...t=COOK+ISLANDS HERE IS THE URL FOR THE OTHER ONE.

21st July 2013, 10:04 AM	#4
KraVseR Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Ukraine Posts: 128	Thank you, I've seen them. I'm interested, there will be 4 Part?

14th August 2013, 08:16 PM	#10
KraVseR Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Ukraine Posts: 128	Thank you! What is the length of these clubs?