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Old 19th July 2013, 06:14 PM   #1
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Very nicely done Detlef.
Thank you Alan.

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Old 14th December 2019, 06:17 AM   #2
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Apropos Kebo kanthong: is there a relationship between the name and the particular blade? "Waterbuffalo" seems an odd name for it.

Can anyone tell if dapur Kebo slurung is the same? I came across it with the 'hook' halfway the blade (so generally spoken the same as KK) but the it looks like a modified 'hook' to me. It doesn't come out just a cut in the blade, suspect?
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Paul, i photo of the entire blade would be helpful. But i see why you are suspicious and also suspect this might be an altered blade.
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There are a number of keris wilah that contain the word "kebo"/"mahesa" (same meaning, different language levels), they are all deemed to be very well suited to all those who work in primary production, ie farming, husbandry, and even the occupations that flow directly from these ones.
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Okay that's an eyeopener. Couldn't see a relation literally speaking.
Here is another pic and label. This SLURUNG dapur name is unknown?
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Old 16th December 2019, 04:33 PM   #6
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Paul, i had not heard of Kebo Slurung before, but when i did a search for it i found a number of examples of blades with an extra long gandik (even for the kebo keris in general), but no Kembang Kacang. I know this form as Kebo Giri, but i am aware that as with all things keris there are other names for this dhapur in different regions. But it does look like the keris you are showing here is mislabelled since it clear does have Kembang Kacang. I am still a little suspicious of that Kembang Kacang however. It isn't really possible for me to tell with this photographs, but it does appear to be a later addition. As you point out, the feature seems very contained within the blade and does not stick our any as on other examples i have seen. But also, in the other examples i know the Kembang Kacang area also has other raised features such as Lambe Gajah. Those features seem absent in your example, leading me to believe this to be an afterthought alteration.
Here is another example i have, an even rarer luk version that was names as Kebo Giri Luk Telu. Not the additional features around the Kembang Kacang, both Jalen and Lambe Gajah.
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Old 16th December 2019, 08:12 PM   #7
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Paul, may I ask where this Kebo Slurung keris is located?

Do we know who named this keris?

Kebo Slurung/Salurung/Selurung is known, but it seems to be a non-standard form, for instance, Empu Djeno Harumbrojo gives Kebo Selurung quite a different form:-

http://www.kerisattosanaji.com/DHAPU...NGTODJENO.html

scroll down to P.5

I had not heard of Kebo Slurung until comparatively recently, I forget exactly when, but maybe 20 years back. I have never handled a keris that was named as Kebo Slurung. In Solo, when we encounter a keris with an unusually long, plain gandhik it is usually given as Dhapur Dhuwung.

It appears to be very prolific on the Net, but virtually unknown in the modern literature --- I have not yet had time to check old literature.

I do not know the word "slurung", nor its spelling variations, my go-to native speaker of Javanese, who is competent in several dialects, also does not know the word, I cannot find the word in Javanese, Sundanese, Balinese, Kawi, Classical Malay, Old Javanese nor Bahasa Indonesia. I think there is a gunung Slurung some where in East Jawa --- not sure of this, but I think I have heard of it.

I am beginning to wonder exactly where this dhapur name comes from. There is a word in Bahasa Indonesia, a common word, "saluran" which has several applications, it has the sense, or meaning of a gutter/duct/line/conduit/vein so if we consider the pipe-back on this kebo slurung, maybe we can see some sort of relationship, perhaps in some dialect "saluran" has become "salurung", "salurung" then becomes its known variations. This is all guesswork, but it seems to me to be a viable possibility.

If indeed "slurung" comes from "saluran" then this would seem to indicate that it might be a pretty recent name, because "saluran" is in Bahasa Indonesia, the word does not exist in Basa Jawa.

But maybe there is a dialect source.

There is a bit of background here to consider. When I get a chance I'll see if I can find dhapur slurung in any of the old texts that I have.

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