Balinese/Lombok pedang

Maurice · 13th July 2013, 04:50 PM

Jentayu, thank you for the translation.
Is this translation repeated on the sides of the blade? (as the translation seems so short concerning all the texts written on the blade)...

And can you tell something about the meaning of the text/figures on the spine?

Michael thanks a lot for your correction, and I'm sorry it took you a half cup of coffee spoilt at first!
But that's a lot more interesting as what Jentayu is saying about the verse!

Unfortunately I don't have any knowledgement about these kind of verses.
So I understand it right that the text on the blade is from the 27th verse?

Kind regards,
Maurice

VANDOO · 19th July 2013, 07:44 PM

HERE IS A SIMULAR EXAMPLE OF MINE WITH INLAYED INSCRIPTIONS. BLADE 24IN. TOTAL 30 IN. NO SCABBARD. SILVER WITH CARVED HORN POMMEL. WAS SAID TO BE 19TH. CENTURY. I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN WHAT IT SAYS OR IF IT IS SOME SORT OF CALENDAR OR TAILSMANIC TABLE. THANKS

VANDOO · 19th July 2013, 08:58 PM

MY EXAMPLE WITH SWASSA AND GOLD UNFORTUNATELY THE SWASSA SCABBARD TIP IS MISSING AND REPLACED WITH A POORLY MADE COPPER ONE. THIS EXAMPLE HAS AN INTERESTING PARMOR BLADE AS WELL. 30 INCHES LONG IN SCABBARD.

VANDOO · 19th July 2013, 10:25 PM

TWO MORE EXAMPLES BOTH WITH SILVER THE SMALLER ONE IS 24 1/4 IN. LONG IN SCABBARD. SILVER COVERED SCABBARD WITH ROUGH TEXTURED WATERED STEEL BLADE, HORN POMMEL.
2. SILVER COVERED GRIP WITH A FEW COPPER BANDS HEAVY WATERED STEEL BLADE WITH SMOOTH FINISH. 26 IN. LONG IN SCABBARD.

kai · 19th July 2013, 11:13 PM

Thanks for adding your pieces, Barry!

Both examples from your last post look like Lombok workmanship to me.

The suasa piece is very sweet! IMHO this one is from Sumatra.

I'd love to see the inlay of the first piece more clearly since this is especially pertinent for this thread! Could you please give resizing another try? Thanks a lot!

Regards,
Kai

Maurice · 20th July 2013, 10:21 AM

Barry, thank you for your contribution here!
The one you have with inlaid blade looks also nice.
Hopefully you can get more clear and blown up images like Kai suggests?

Maurice

Gustav · 22nd July 2013, 08:21 PM

I am sorry, yet also to me the inlays of the initial Pedang seem to be done at least after the WWII.

Maurice, you probably have seen the other indonesian items from the original auction. These items surely weren't collected before 60ties.

http://katalog.auktionshaus-wendl.co...at/h/119/a/76/

Especially the kerisses have touch of beeing made to catch a colector with some bigger money, yet not so good understanding of materia.

You also see, how many indonesian items are returned to the auction house.

For comparison some other stuff coming out of Lombok these days.

19th July 2013, 07:44 PM	#2
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	HERE IS A SIMULAR EXAMPLE OF MINE WITH INLAYED INSCRIPTIONS. BLADE 24IN. TOTAL 30 IN. NO SCABBARD. SILVER WITH CARVED HORN POMMEL. WAS SAID TO BE 19TH. CENTURY. I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN WHAT IT SAYS OR IF IT IS SOME SORT OF CALENDAR OR TAILSMANIC TABLE. THANKS Attached Images Last edited by VANDOO; 19th July 2013 at 11:44 PM.

19th July 2013, 08:58 PM	#3
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	MY EXAMPLE WITH SWASSA AND GOLD UNFORTUNATELY THE SWASSA SCABBARD TIP IS MISSING AND REPLACED WITH A POORLY MADE COPPER ONE. THIS EXAMPLE HAS AN INTERESTING PARMOR BLADE AS WELL. 30 INCHES LONG IN SCABBARD. Attached Images

19th July 2013, 10:25 PM	#4
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	TWO MORE EXAMPLES BOTH WITH SILVER THE SMALLER ONE IS 24 1/4 IN. LONG IN SCABBARD. SILVER COVERED SCABBARD WITH ROUGH TEXTURED WATERED STEEL BLADE, HORN POMMEL. 2. SILVER COVERED GRIP WITH A FEW COPPER BANDS HEAVY WATERED STEEL BLADE WITH SMOOTH FINISH. 26 IN. LONG IN SCABBARD. Attached Images

22nd July 2013, 08:21 PM	#7
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,280	I am sorry, yet also to me the inlays of the initial Pedang seem to be done at least after the WWII. Maurice, you probably have seen the other indonesian items from the original auction. These items surely weren't collected before 60ties. http://katalog.auktionshaus-wendl.co...at/h/119/a/76/ Especially the kerisses have touch of beeing made to catch a colector with some bigger money, yet not so good understanding of materia. You also see, how many indonesian items are returned to the auction house. For comparison some other stuff coming out of Lombok these days. Attached Images

13th July 2013, 04:50 PM	#1
Maurice Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,453	Jentayu, thank you for the translation. Is this translation repeated on the sides of the blade? (as the translation seems so short concerning all the texts written on the blade)... And can you tell something about the meaning of the text/figures on the spine? Michael thanks a lot for your correction, and I'm sorry it took you a half cup of coffee spoilt at first! But that's a lot more interesting as what Jentayu is saying about the verse! Unfortunately I don't have any knowledgement about these kind of verses. So I understand it right that the text on the blade is from the 27th verse? Kind regards, Maurice

19th July 2013, 11:13 PM	#5
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,255	Thanks for adding your pieces, Barry! Both examples from your last post look like Lombok workmanship to me. The suasa piece is very sweet! IMHO this one is from Sumatra. I'd love to see the inlay of the first piece more clearly since this is especially pertinent for this thread! Could you please give resizing another try? Thanks a lot! Regards, Kai

20th July 2013, 10:21 AM	#6
Maurice Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,453	Barry, thank you for your contribution here! The one you have with inlaid blade looks also nice. Hopefully you can get more clear and blown up images like Kai suggests? Maurice