Yataghan research beginning

[ariel]

Dear Ann,
This is long overdue!
Yataghans are fascinating weapons with very little documented information behind them, We do not even know what was the reason for their popularity in the Ottoman Empire or the style of fighting with them. The oldest known yataghans ( Topkapi, Met) bear very tenuous resemblance to the classic form, the origin of their distinctive eared handle is obscure, the connection ( if any!) with Afgani Salawar Yataghans or Central Asian ( Bukhara Khanate, Afghanistan) "pseudo-shashkas" is totally unknown.
This is an incredibly important chapter in the study of bladed weapons, and up until now it was limited just to the description of museum collections without any unified theory behind it.
It is a high time for the professionals in the field to join hands in an attempt to figure out what is going on with this fascinating weapon.

I am sure that whatever help you might need, the Forumites will be only happy to provide.

Best of luck to you and your colleagues!

[Ann Feuerbach]

Thanks so much for your enthusiasm. The symposium was fascinating. We had scholars looking into the history and function of the shape and handle. Unfortunately for me it was in Turkish but I still learned a great deal from the pictures. The proceedings will be in English! I will keep everyone updated.

[Battara]

How wonderful! I love the things. Would be happier if the one I had weren't stolen, but still love them.

Good luck to you. Your research and insights have been a great help to all of us collectors here at this little forum (and for all those who lurk).

[TVV]

I am afraid that I still take Turkish research, which is extremely biased, with a grain of salt. The blade form existed in the Balkans and the Mediterranean since antiquity, it does not exist in Central Asia at all, and yet we are to believe that 800 years ago a group of Turkmens moved to Asia Minor and "invented" the weapon. Not credible, sorry.

Teodor

[ariel]

Well, this is a very strong argument and I see a lot of truth in it.. Hopefully, this time around people might put aside their biases, listen to each other and , - jointly,- reach an historically- justifiable conclusion.

As an aside: quite a lot of Afghani Salawar Yataghans have incurved blades. Whether this is a long-standing local tradition or an externally- adopted feature ( there were quite a lot of Ottoman mercenaries in the area) is an interesting question. The same applies to Afghani/Bukharan eared handles.

As I said, we know precious little about the Turkmen/ Ottoman connections, and focussed research efforts are to be saluted.

[Timo Nieminen]

Originally Posted by ariel

As an aside: quite a lot of Afghani Salawar Yataghans have incurved blades. Whether this is a long-standing local tradition or an externally- adopted feature ( there were quite a lot of Ottoman mercenaries in the area) is an interesting question. The same applies to Afghani/Bukharan eared handles.

There's an old history of forward-curved blades in India, well back into the 1st millenium IIRC from Rawson. Some say these are copied from forward-curved Greek swords, courtesy of the Alexandrian conquests, but they are quite plausibly locally developed. Then we have the Central Asian Greek kingdoms (e.g., Bactria), but there is the question of continuity. In any case, we have forward curved bronze knives through much of Central Asia.

So it's hard to find conclusive evidence about who influenced whom. (But, alas, easy to find information to support any single point of view.)

[ariel]

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