American foot artillery sword?

VANDERNOTTE · 28th May 2013, 12:28 AM

hello there
in my opinion is a variante du sabre d'artillerie 1816 produit par
l'industrie privee pour la garde national pariseinne
the blade suppose have no proof
reference " des sabre et des epee par michel petard"
regard
jacques

Hotspur · 28th May 2013, 04:36 AM

There are certainly cockerel emblazoned 1816 variants up to the second empire. As mentioned, early ones had the fluer de lis scraped off after the first empire.

An example of those noted by Jean Binck (no photo)

The sword on the right is probably a privately purchased variation of the French artillery gladius Model 1816. The rooster on the pommel allows to date it between 1830 and 1848. This kind of privately purchased fancy pattern was in use in the French National Guard

There are also some anomalies with the American assemblies, with the same eagle but peened rather than riveted. Attached below. Also keep in mind that the IOOF loved the Ames 1832 and there is no reason not to consider what we are seeing here is a lodge sword or other, as the later degree swords continued the gladius form up into the 20th century with make ups such as the really plain blades and bullseye pommels. One could even blame Bannerman for this one.

Cheers

GC

28th May 2013, 12:28 AM	#1
VANDERNOTTE Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 60	glaive 1816 hello there in my opinion is a variante du sabre d'artillerie 1816 produit par l'industrie privee pour la garde national pariseinne the blade suppose have no proof reference " des sabre et des epee par michel petard" regard jacques

28th May 2013, 04:36 AM	#2
Hotspur Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Nipmuc USA Posts: 514	There are certainly cockerel emblazoned 1816 variants up to the second empire. As mentioned, early ones had the fluer de lis scraped off after the first empire. An example of those noted by Jean Binck (no photo) The sword on the right is probably a privately purchased variation of the French artillery gladius Model 1816. The rooster on the pommel allows to date it between 1830 and 1848. This kind of privately purchased fancy pattern was in use in the French National Guard There are also some anomalies with the American assemblies, with the same eagle but peened rather than riveted. Attached below. Also keep in mind that the IOOF loved the Ames 1832 and there is no reason not to consider what we are seeing here is a lodge sword or other, as the later degree swords continued the gladius form up into the 20th century with make ups such as the really plain blades and bullseye pommels. One could even blame Bannerman for this one. Cheers GC Attached Images