Kris Sumatra or Malay?

Gustav · 20th April 2013, 09:49 AM

Alan, I don't know what it is, yet the examples I have seen with this feature are either Sumatran Straits dressed or are Malayan Sundangs:

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=14292

I thought about this feature, it could be a little bit easyer way to give sorsoran a shape without cutting out the sogokan. The other influence (via Sundang) could perhaps be the exagerated Janur/even more exagerated Bawang Sebungkul sometimes seen on Moro krisses. Actually even Jeans keris is slightly going in this direction. On Henry's keris the Blumbangan has almost disappeared, yet I still see the hint.

A. G. Maisey · 20th April 2013, 12:42 PM

This triangular form appears on very early Javanese keris, is fairly widespread in both keris and tombak.

I'm afraid that you're thinking in the wrong direction Gustav.

I have no intention of giving an answer on this question I've raised, my intention in raising it is because I see this as the perfect opportunity to demonstrate how a little thought after a slight hint can answer so many questions.

What you are looking at is an upwards pointing triangle.

Now do a bit of research.

Gustav · 20th April 2013, 01:16 PM

Alan, I know you thought about this keris.

Of course there are also Tombak and Indian spearheads and daggers, which display these features.

I have no doubts you are wright about the meaning in early keris, yet I don't know if there is a possibility of an uninterrupted line we could draw from the early keris to these Straits Keris and Sundangs.

In which other keris forms this feature appears?

20th April 2013, 09:49 AM	#1
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,280	Alan, I don't know what it is, yet the examples I have seen with this feature are either Sumatran Straits dressed or are Malayan Sundangs: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=14292 I thought about this feature, it could be a little bit easyer way to give sorsoran a shape without cutting out the sogokan. The other influence (via Sundang) could perhaps be the exagerated Janur/even more exagerated Bawang Sebungkul sometimes seen on Moro krisses. Actually even Jeans keris is slightly going in this direction. On Henry's keris the Blumbangan has almost disappeared, yet I still see the hint. Last edited by Gustav; 20th April 2013 at 10:48 AM.

20th April 2013, 01:16 PM	#3
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,280	Alan, I know you thought about this keris. Of course there are also Tombak and Indian spearheads and daggers, which display these features. I have no doubts you are wright about the meaning in early keris, yet I don't know if there is a possibility of an uninterrupted line we could draw from the early keris to these Straits Keris and Sundangs. In which other keris forms this feature appears? Attached Images Last edited by Gustav; 20th April 2013 at 10:08 PM.

20th April 2013, 12:42 PM	#2
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,015	This triangular form appears on very early Javanese keris, is fairly widespread in both keris and tombak. I'm afraid that you're thinking in the wrong direction Gustav. I have no intention of giving an answer on this question I've raised, my intention in raising it is because I see this as the perfect opportunity to demonstrate how a little thought after a slight hint can answer so many questions. What you are looking at is an upwards pointing triangle. Now do a bit of research.