Spanish Cavalry Pistol with Patilla Style Miquelet Lock 1808-1812

[dana_w]

Originally Posted by Fernando K

Regarding the key classified as model 1791, actually corresponds to the 1802 model for artillery carbine:

Fernando K, Please see the first post. Juan L. Calvó tells me this is a cavalry pistol made at the Valencia Factory (1808-1812). It may just be the lanyard ring that makes it a "cavalry pistol".

I don't have a copy of “Armamento Español en la Guerra de Independencia”, so I can't check Juan L. Calvó's photos. Do you have a copy? Does anyone have a copy? They only printed a limited edition of 1,000.

The lock looks a lot like the one labeled Model 1791 in Benninghoff's Spanish Weapons in the American Revolution and the one shown in plate 65 from the Scollard Collection.

Can you post some photos of BARCELO RUBI "Laptop Spanish Armament, 1764-1939", page 162?

[Miqueleter]

Dana et al

Allow me to quote Spanish Military Weapons in Colonial America 1700-1821 page 31 "In 1791 Spanish officials ordered a change in the lock for all military firearms." All military firearms would seem to include the musket, carbine, and pistol for infantry, artillery, and cavalry, I should think. Of course the lock size would vary according to type of firearm. The brass pan was incorporated in the 1791 pattern lock. As Fernando K points out, the 1791 could be defined as a "a las tres modas." While Dr. Lavin didn't go out of his way to promote the "a las tres modas", he apparently foresaw the need to provide qualification on the term, hence, the "patilla-a las tres modas."

Dana, I have found a miquelet lock pistol, military type, with a look-a-like lanyard loop on Calvo's website, when I find it again, I'll send PM.

Respectfully and Best Regards, miqueleter

[Fernando K]

Dear Dana:

I have not a copy of "Armamento Español en la Guerra de la Indpendencia" by Calvó.

I post some photos and text of BARCELO RUBI, page 162

Fernando K

[fernando]

Originally Posted by Fernando K

Dear Dana:

I have not a copy of "Armamento Español en la Guerra de la Indpendencia" by Calvó.

I post some photos and text of BARCELO RUBI, page 162

Fernando K

Here are pages 68 AND 69 of Calvó's work, which i have de honor to have been offered a copy signed by the author.
It is such a pity that i wasn't around to give a few touch ups to Fernando K posts, as the translation engines, specially when dealing with technical terms, often betray you a lot.


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[fernando]

Originally Posted by dana_w

... Can you post some photos of BARCELO RUBI "Laptop Spanish Armament, 1764-1939", page 162?

You mean item 5# of page 162 ? The picture is not so clear -

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[dana_w]

Thanks so much Fernando!

The pistol on page 68 of Calvó's book is a good match. Now if I could just find some contemporary illustrations of Spanish cavalry carrying this style pistol.

[Fernando K]

Dear Fernando

On page 163, photo of the lock.....

Fernando K

[dana_w]

Still no contemporary illustrations, but here is one Miqueleter found on-line. It's from ELS EXERCITS DE CATALUNYA (1713-1714).

[fernando]

Just for the fun of it

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...Miquelets3.jpg

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