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Greetings folks!
Here is a Moro kris from Christies that went for over $9000! Ivory with silver dots in the junggayan pommel and hllt, along with silver inlay along the blade: http://www.christies.com/lotfinder/a...4-details.aspx |
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Well, nice kris, no doubt, but more than $9600! And it doesn't even have a sheath (not that it would make that much difference). Some people have waaaay too much money to throw around.
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This auction description begs the question: is "bone" the new designation for Ivory ?
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Beautiful sword, too bad there are not better photos of it.
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Are these hard to find?
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A beauty she is, but I'm also surprised by the price it fetched.
Those silver dot inserts have got to make an already fragile ivory pommel even more so, and if you have a close look at the 'beak', it looks like there may already be a break...or working on it. Last edited by CharlesS; 10th February 2013 at 02:14 AM. |
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I wonder sometimes if we are seeing an investing shift to 'tangibles' and a corresponding price increase .
![]() It is a nice piece with all the bells and whistles . Would this ship without Customs inspection within the E.U. ? Anyone ? |
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I have to wait until i get home to see the enlarged version of this, but from what i can see from my mobile phone, it appears that the bottom beak of the chicken, as well as that one curly feather at the bottom of the tail are missing. Either these broke off, or it's a different version altogether.
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I agree with Charles on the fragility of the ivory with all those silver dot wire inlays. Would more easily crack between dots due to subtle swelling and contracting as the ivory "breathes".
I am trying to figure out how to get pictures off the link to post - no luck so far. Wish I had this one - but I don't have anywhere near the money. ![]() Last edited by Battara; 10th February 2013 at 01:54 AM. |
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Ok here are some better(?) close ups:
BTW - I'm thinking that a curl nor a tail decoration existed. |
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![]() I think in this case, it's just a mess-up on Christies' account. After all, the headline do clearly say 'ivory' and they have that paragraph on CITES. Often I fear more for my fellow collectors ordering from smaller dealers and Ebay-sellers. 'Bone', 'Fish tooth', 'Exotic horn' 'I*o*y', etc., may fool the rabid animal-right hippies trawling the net for eeeeevil traders in poor animals, but it will not fool a CITES-inspection at the border. Without that CITES-export permit in the package (and in the case of Appendix I/Annex A material, a corresponding import-permit) it's bye-bye awesome sword or keris, and it's then gone for good. It's especially stupid and sad, since these things that we love mostly predate 1947 and as such are perfectly legal to trade in. There is no excuse for not getting that permit, but sheer lazyness or simply being too stingy with ones buyer. Geeting back OT, hooooly crap that is an awesome sword!! One day when I'm rich, I'll be getting me one of those ivory jungayans for myself! ![]() All the best, - Thor |
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I know for sure that quite a bit of ivory comes into the USA right past customs through all kinds of delivery systems. Don't know how or even if they really check packages that come into this country for ivory parts. They may be more thorough in other countries. ![]() |
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1. I try not to think. ![]() 2. Yes mine is bigger. ![]() http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...junggayan+kris |
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Hello Charles,
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I know the cost of a permit is £45,- in the UK, while here in the socialist regime that I call home, its free. But then again, we also have the world's highest most crushing personal tax pressure, so I really don't have my arms up in celebration over that fact. I don't know about prices in the US, although I'd be curious to find out. Take care, - Thor |
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I just have done some google research. In Germany it is like this: first you need a expertise from a expert. With this you have to go to a special board where you get the cites paper. This is possible with ivory which is from before 1947 but as well for ivory with a age between 1947 and 1976. The cost for expertise and cites paper will be between 80,- and 100,- Euro.
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Ah cool, thanks Detlef. At the CITES Authority here in DK we have the capacity to do the evaluation for the citizens in house, i.e. by the sharp eye of Yours Truly!
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I do admit it is odd that the nose break is straight across.....still not sure if it is not the original though.
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Whom ever bought it must see a whole lot more than I do.
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I like it a lot, but not enough to sell my house for it (ok maybe I live in a shack
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I understand. However I do like the silver dots and inlay (a sucker for precious metals as you know
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Am I the only one who think the proportions of both the hilt (compared to the blade) and it's two protrusions (compared to the center of the hilt) are a bit unbalanced?
Spunjer's kris has much better proportions IMHO. When I first saw it at Christie's site my hunch was that the complete hilt was a much later addition to an old blade? Michael |
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