Help ID this Oceanic Club

Diceman · 7th February 2013, 01:14 AM

I would agree with Vandoo, Samoa. I check my library and see if I can come up with a name for you?

VANDOO · 7th February 2013, 09:40 PM

JUST PURE CONJECTURE BUT THIS SHAPE CLUB COULD HAVE BEEN INSPIRED BY THE HAMMERHEAD SHARK. THE SHARK GOD FIGURED INTO MANY LEGENDS IN OCEANIC SOCIETYS EVERYWHERE SO IT IS A POSSIBILITY.
I DON'T THINK MOST SHARK LEGENDS SINGLE OUT ONE KIND OF SHARK BUT OF THE SHARKS THAT SWIM NEAR OR ON THE SURFACE A LOT THE HAMMERHEAD RANKS NEAR THE TOP. THEREFORE IT WOULD HAVE BEEN SEEN FREQUENTLY. JUST POSSIBILITYS SO DON'T FILE IT AS REFRENCE OR FACT.

HERE ARE A FEW MORE EXAMPLES ALL SAMOAN . THE DOUBLE ENDED ONE IS A SAMOAN DANCE PADDLE THERE IS ALSO A CLOSEUP OF ONE END FOR THE DESIGN DETAIL. CLOSEUP OF A LONGER CLUB WITH PAGOPAGO WRITTEN ON IT. THE CLUB MARKED PAGOPAGO WAS DATED NOV/5/1920 AND WAS 24 INCHES LONG.

Diceman · 8th February 2013, 09:19 PM

Found these pics. I have them listed as Samoa.

VANDOO · 27th February 2013, 01:34 AM

I FOUND A GOOD ARTICLE ONLINE TITLED ( SAMOAN MATERIAL CULTURE BY Te Rangi Hiroa.) QUITE A LOT OF GOOD INFORMATION THERE. THE CLUBS WE ARE DISCUSSING HERE WERE REFERRED TO AS EAR SHAPED CLUBS THERE ARE LONGER FORMS AS WELL AS THE SHORTER FORM THEY OCCUR IN SAMOA AND TONGA. IN SAMOA THEY ARE CALLED ( "FA' ALAUTALINGA )
IN TONGA THEY ARE CALLED ( APA'APAI ) THOUGH USED IN WARFARE SOME OF THESE CLUBS WERE HIGHLY DECORATED AND RESERVED FOR CHIEFS AND HIGH OFFICALS. THIS RECENTLY MADE EXAMPLE IS 18 INCHES LONG.

7th February 2013, 09:40 PM	#2
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	JUST PURE CONJECTURE BUT THIS SHAPE CLUB COULD HAVE BEEN INSPIRED BY THE HAMMERHEAD SHARK. THE SHARK GOD FIGURED INTO MANY LEGENDS IN OCEANIC SOCIETYS EVERYWHERE SO IT IS A POSSIBILITY. I DON'T THINK MOST SHARK LEGENDS SINGLE OUT ONE KIND OF SHARK BUT OF THE SHARKS THAT SWIM NEAR OR ON THE SURFACE A LOT THE HAMMERHEAD RANKS NEAR THE TOP. THEREFORE IT WOULD HAVE BEEN SEEN FREQUENTLY. JUST POSSIBILITYS SO DON'T FILE IT AS REFRENCE OR FACT. HERE ARE A FEW MORE EXAMPLES ALL SAMOAN . THE DOUBLE ENDED ONE IS A SAMOAN DANCE PADDLE THERE IS ALSO A CLOSEUP OF ONE END FOR THE DESIGN DETAIL. CLOSEUP OF A LONGER CLUB WITH PAGOPAGO WRITTEN ON IT. THE CLUB MARKED PAGOPAGO WAS DATED NOV/5/1920 AND WAS 24 INCHES LONG. Attached Images Last edited by VANDOO; 8th February 2013 at 12:39 AM.

8th February 2013, 09:19 PM	#3
Diceman Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kansas Posts: 11	Found these pics. I have them listed as Samoa. Attached Images

27th February 2013, 01:34 AM	#4
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	I FOUND A GOOD ARTICLE ONLINE TITLED ( SAMOAN MATERIAL CULTURE BY Te Rangi Hiroa.) QUITE A LOT OF GOOD INFORMATION THERE. THE CLUBS WE ARE DISCUSSING HERE WERE REFERRED TO AS EAR SHAPED CLUBS THERE ARE LONGER FORMS AS WELL AS THE SHORTER FORM THEY OCCUR IN SAMOA AND TONGA. IN SAMOA THEY ARE CALLED ( "FA' ALAUTALINGA ) IN TONGA THEY ARE CALLED ( APA'APAI ) THOUGH USED IN WARFARE SOME OF THESE CLUBS WERE HIGHLY DECORATED AND RESERVED FOR CHIEFS AND HIGH OFFICALS. THIS RECENTLY MADE EXAMPLE IS 18 INCHES LONG. Attached Images

7th February 2013, 01:14 AM	#1
Diceman Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kansas Posts: 11	I would agree with Vandoo, Samoa. I check my library and see if I can come up with a name for you?