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[T. Koch]

Thank you so much Maurice - your mind is like a golden archive of all things Borneo! I am so thrilled to finally see a pic with a BB in situ, just fantastic!

The two examples you've posted above are a great couple as well.

The first one with the all-bronze hilt is just spectacular. The one I have at home is with a similar blade profile, although not executed with nearly as much attention to detail. Everything is so sharp and crisp on the one you show and it just excudes "QUALITY"!

The second one is as interesting as the first is gorgeous. Its the first BB I have seen dressed up with a sheath like that, katong evok, carvings and everything. Quite impressive! Maybe a Malay going 'native' or a Dayak joining the ranks?


Gustav, thank you very much for those references. From your quote it certainly seems as if Banjarmasin was a busy hub teeming with forge-work around this time. I will see if I can dust up the original articles - maybe they're accessible on KITLV, somewhere.


Thanks again guys and take care, - Thor

[Maurice]

Originally Posted by T. Koch

Thank you so much Maurice - your mind is like a golden archive of all things Borneo! I am so thrilled to finally see a pic with a BB in situ, just fantastic!

You're welcome Thor. At the end we all have the same interests and it's good sharing some knowledge/images to collectors like you who appreciate it!
Hopefully we will find more pictures or drawings of some warriors carrying a BB, but I think it will be a hard one to find.
As BB's are enough to be found in private collections and museum collections, and only this one image I've found on it on an old postcard, I think they all have been used in times when they didn't use camera's to make photographs. And when they had, these BB's were out of fashion allready.

That would make to ask another question to the rye!!!: Till when where they produced? Did they stop at the end of the Banjarmasinwar making these BB's?
I think they did, as we don't find any photographs besides the one I posted.....

Originally Posted by T. Koch

The first one with the all-bronze hilt is just spectacular. The one I have at home is with a similar blade profile, although not executed with nearly as much attention to detail. Everything is so sharp and crisp on the one you show and it just excudes "QUALITY"!

Don't forget they were made for warfare, and need to be used for that purpose. As a few exceptions they aren't that "fancy" and that makes me wonder if they were only made to fulfill what they made for: Slashing the "Dutch" enemy in the Banjarmasin war....

PS can you post an image of your BB?

Originally Posted by T. Koch

Gustav , thank you very much for those references. From your quote it certainly seems as if Banjarmasin was a busy hub teeming with forge-work around this time. I will see if I can dust up the original articles - maybe they're accessible on KITLV, somewhere.

Yes it was a good thing for Gustav mentioning these original articles.
I will forward you the article of Hendriks by pdf, but I don't know if you can read it, as it's in Dutch unfortunately...



Maurice

[T. Koch]

Originally Posted by Maurice

That would make to ask another question to the rye!!!: Till when where they produced? Did they stop at the end of the Banjarmasinwar making these BB's?
I think they did, as we don't find any photographs besides the one I posted.....

Certainly a valid question, Maurice! I think unveiling the geographical as well as the temporal occurrence of the BB, would be really exciting! Also as your translation of Muller over in the blunderbuss-thread states (http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...t=16489&page=2), a lot of the weapons produced in the area were exported. Did this include the BB? If not, then why not? If yes, then might we have the possibility of finding specimens with collection localities outside of Kalimantan?

Online museum collections seem to be a good place to start. Unfortunately, they often illustrate their specimens with a single photo only and then often displayed in it's sheath. Oh well, it is better than nothing and I guess our possibilities will only improve with time as more museums go digital in that way and others hopefully upgrade to more - and higher resolution - images.

I unfortunately don't have any pics ready, and my work days are too long with too little sunlight this time of year (already owe you guys a scabbard-pic in the paka-thread). However, the dealer I traded into it with have a couple of pics, and I have mailed him for permission to post one here.


All the best, - Thor