old ivory hilt for share

David · 18th January 2013, 09:02 PM

I also thought this ivory was marine in origin Thor. As for the patina and color, it is so hard to tell age based on this as it is fairly easy to apply it to ivory from my experience.

Battara · 19th January 2013, 04:12 AM

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Originally Posted by David

I also thought this ivory was marine in origin Thor. As for the patina and color, it is so hard to tell age based on this as it is fairly easy to apply it to ivory from my experience.

Sadly true, David. Makes it harder for us to determine true age.

On the other hand, I also love the selut.

Ganja Iras · 20th January 2013, 05:58 AM

hi guys ,

thank you very much for the comments and your opinion about this hilt.
here i give you more info about it...:
- material : marine ivory
- selut / mendak (in lombok we call it angkop ) : new made silver.

as a new in keris community ,i only know about that description for the hilt..
not about the age and figure .

thanks again....
kind regards ,

ganja iras

T. Koch · 20th January 2013, 07:35 AM

Thank you David - I think I have mistakenly used the word 'patina' here, in an inappropriate way. I didn't mean to imply it was due to significant age of the piece, I just wanted to refer to the darker areas under the chin, for instance. Would 'shade' or maybe 'glow' or something else be more correct?

English is not my native tongue, so I guess I'm sometimes prone to accidentally use words, unaware of their correct or full meanings. Sorry for the confusion!

Personally, I have a sweet spot for darker more "glowing" ivory. Either due to years of handling or tea-dying, it doesn't matter so much to me. Maybe it's because I see so much of the pearly white, modern touristy stuff at my work.

I feel the same way about bone. Btw. if anybody has a reference to a description of tea-dying of these materials, I'd love to read about it?

All the best, - Thor

David · 20th January 2013, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by T. Koch

Thank you David - I think I have mistakenly used the word 'patina' here, in an inappropriate way. I didn't mean to imply it was due to significant age of the piece, I just wanted to refer to the darker areas under the chin, for instance. Would 'shade' or maybe 'glow' or something else be more correct?

No Thor, patina is patina and i would definitely say this piece has some. But here it seems to have been applied more quickly for effect than allowed to develop of a long period of handling use. There are ways to do this along with staining the ivory for color to give the over all impression of age.

T. Koch · 21st January 2013, 07:31 PM

Agreed and thanks for clarifying!

- Thor

Paul B. · 6th February 2020, 07:36 AM

I want to share a rather unusual ivory handle from Surakarta for claryfication.
It is shown in the pictured book and texting says: 'cat eaten by a snake' even if the pic shows a rather doggy head?

David · 6th February 2020, 06:40 PM

Nice example. I have seen this odd form before somewhere. Yes, i am not certain about the description in the book. It doesn't quite look like a cat to me. In any case i would be curious to understand the meaning behind this symbolism. Perhaps there is a folktale that applies here.

6th February 2020, 07:36 AM	#7
Paul B. Member Join Date: Nov 2017 Posts: 205	I want to share a rather unusual ivory handle from Surakarta for claryfication. It is shown in the pictured book and texting says: 'cat eaten by a snake' even if the pic shows a rather doggy head? Attached Images

18th January 2013, 09:02 PM	#1
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,211	I also thought this ivory was marine in origin Thor. As for the patina and color, it is so hard to tell age based on this as it is fairly easy to apply it to ivory from my experience.

20th January 2013, 05:58 AM	#3
Ganja Iras Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 57	hi guys , thank you very much for the comments and your opinion about this hilt. here i give you more info about it...: - material : marine ivory - selut / mendak (in lombok we call it angkop ) : new made silver. as a new in keris community ,i only know about that description for the hilt.. not about the age and figure . thanks again.... kind regards , ganja iras

20th January 2013, 07:35 AM	#4
T. Koch Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Mother North Posts: 189	Thank you David - I think I have mistakenly used the word 'patina' here, in an inappropriate way. I didn't mean to imply it was due to significant age of the piece, I just wanted to refer to the darker areas under the chin, for instance. Would 'shade' or maybe 'glow' or something else be more correct? English is not my native tongue, so I guess I'm sometimes prone to accidentally use words, unaware of their correct or full meanings. Sorry for the confusion! Personally, I have a sweet spot for darker more "glowing" ivory. Either due to years of handling or tea-dying, it doesn't matter so much to me. Maybe it's because I see so much of the pearly white, modern touristy stuff at my work. I feel the same way about bone. Btw. if anybody has a reference to a description of tea-dying of these materials, I'd love to read about it? All the best, - Thor

21st January 2013, 07:31 PM	#6
T. Koch Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Mother North Posts: 189	Agreed and thanks for clarifying! - Thor

6th February 2020, 06:40 PM	#8
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,211	Nice example. I have seen this odd form before somewhere. Yes, i am not certain about the description in the book. It doesn't quite look like a cat to me. In any case i would be curious to understand the meaning behind this symbolism. Perhaps there is a folktale that applies here.