Badik for comment

[Sajen]

Wow, very nice one with beautiful pamor. Don't think it's recent but fresh etched.
Have a similar one in my collection, the form is the same but your's is more nice.

Regards,

Detlef

[A. G. Maisey]

Is it certain that this style is from Sulawesi?

I've had several of these over the years, got the first in Jawa in about 1970, and anybody over there who has given an opinion on this style has always said they were Javanese.

I do not know where they come from.

Do we have a believable source?

[DaveA]

The pamor is quite interesting. It looks to be a mixture of (at least) two types. The circles might be an example of melati rinonce "Chain of melati flowers". The spirit of this pamor is Healer; attracts wealth, heals bad karma. The pamor along the edge if the blade I cannot identify.

It takes considerable skill for an empu to create a blade with to or more pamor. This s pretty well done on t east one side. The second picture of the blade showing the obverse side is not so nice IMHO.

I like it and would value it in my collection!

David

[semar]

hello Battara
the etching is recent done
the persoon from ho I buy this badik tel me sulawesi

and aboud the badik from orgin he come`s from Sulawesi and thats the same story the bugies travel and trade much and so and that way the badik get in
singapore , maleisie , Thailand ,Brunei Filipine and Java


regards semar

[Sajen]

I can't tell for sure something about the origin from your's and mine but when you have a look to Albert's book at page 27 there the badiks with similar elongated handles are described as Java origin but with "?".
And want to remember this thread: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ighlight=badik
So I can understand the question from Alan. On the other hand, the examples in the book and from Ganjawulung have all a very similar handle form what let think that this form is typical for Java badiks.

Regards,

Detlef

[A. G. Maisey]

Just as the keris originated in Jawa, the badik originated in Sulawesi.

No argument about this.

Yes, the Bugis people were traders, travellers, pirates, and that's how the badik spread into many other areas. No argument about that.

However, this particular style of badik differs in a number of significant particulars with the style of badik that we can definitely attribute to Sulawesi.

Mr. van Zonneveld seems to think that based upon his research, this style of badik might come from Jawa.

More than 40 years ago I was told by dealer in Jakarta that the badik I had bought from him was not from Sulawesi, but from Jawa. During that same visit to Jawa I met a fellow in Malang who was from Makassar, and I asked him if he recognised this badik as of Sulawesi origin, he told me he had never seen a badik of this style in Sulawesi.

Over the years since then I've run this question past a few other people whom I thought might know. None have confirmed Sulawesi as a point of origin for this style, most have given the opinion that it is a Javanese style of badik.

On the basis of such evidence, which is really only opinion, I'm not prepared to come out in favour of either Jawa or Sulawesi, or somewhere else entirely, rather I do think that this matter is still open to question.

Incidentally, in respect of the blade, I am virtually certain that close examination would reveal that this blade is a replacement, and possibly part of a shortened Javanese pedang.

[semar]

and how we can do that ??????????
when its posibel and i not wil damage the badik and way do you think that about the style of the pamor ????
and sajen you have some nice badiks

regards semar