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Arrived yesterday. Had to give a couple swords to acquire this one; there aren't many with these precise details.
The pattern is after the British New Land; the production is Portuguese, no doubt about that. Made to equip the Municipal Guard and, in this particular case, for the Oporto Division, which is the main score, as usually everything found is from Lisbon. The lockplate prsents the marks of the Army Arsenal and the date made. In the butt cap the initial of the Porto Municipal Guard and the user number. The wood is got worm holes and is a bit fragilized here and there but ... what the hell. Original swivel ramrod. Brass mountings. The specifications are those of the New Land: caliber 17,3 m/m barrel length 23 cms. total length 40 cms. weight 1,370 Kgs. . |
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Hi Fernando,
First, have you got some special relationship with S. Claus. Esq. to get your gift early, as far as I know he is still revving up the reindeer prior to take off. ![]() ![]() My Regards, Norman. |
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Hola, Fernando
Yo también, como Norman, te pregunto si vas a tapar los agujeros de polilla con cera, o si conoces algún otro método. Yo he probado con aserrín de madera (del mismo color), empapado con sellador (que debe ser nitro-celulosa) Te felicito por el regalo y cuéntanos algo, si las manufacturas o fábricas eran estatales o privadas. Fernando K Hello, Fernando I too, like Norman, I wonder if you plug the holes with moth wax , or if you know any other method. I've tried it with sawdust (same color), soaked with sealant (to be nitro-cellulose) I congratulate you for the gift and tell us something, whether manufacturing or factories were state or private. . Last edited by fernando; 24th December 2012 at 05:17 PM. |
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Thank you guys.
Yes, i thought about filling the wormholes, but wouldn't like to do it by myself, afraid it doesn't come out well. But it is in my agenda; other me or someone else will have to do it. Fernando, the 'Arsenal do Exercito' has been the State arms factory for centuries. It is now the Military Museum. You should visit it some time. . |
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Hi Fernando,
Here's a photograph of the pistol I mentioned, this one was marked Blake/London. My Regards, Norman. |
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The guy whith whom i traded my Portuguese example also has a British one, but you can imagine what my option was ![]() . |
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Not just because is my corner but also because Portuguese stuff is extremely hard to gather
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That I can understand, Scottish stuff is the same, thin on the ground and expensive when it is available. My Regards, Norman. |
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Not to be dull, but do the worm holes have to be filled? I actually rather like them and think they build character fo the item. I have an American boarding pike with a wormy ash shaft that I wouldn't dream of filling. Now, if you tell me that these holes weaken the structure of the piece...then, I might agree.
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Hi Mark, Not dull at all. I think this falls within the restore or not debate and how far do you go. Personal preference must be the main consideration, a quality furniture restorer could make a really nice job on the wormholes making them all but invisible but on the other hand for some it might compromise the historical integrity of the piece. I think Fernando has a really nice pistol ![]() My Regards, Norman. P.S. I hope Santa was good to you. ![]() |
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But (i guess) filling wormholes is like expelling from the object (and from your mind) the idea that the worms themselves are still there, even if not ... and does not alter the texture and patina of (in this case) the pistol. I will have to sleep over this issue for a while ... and maybe consult, not an actual restorer, but a (wealthy clintele) stock maker i know in the vicinity, who gives me the previlege to attend my profitless 'commissions'. |
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Thanks, Norman and Fernando for answering my question. I had actualy wondered about worm holes in pieces for quite some time. I apreciate your answers and patience with my asking. Fernando, this is a great piece and I wish I was getting one for Christmas-
![]() Norm, Santa didn't get me anything!! Well, I did get a nice hanger ca. 1680 last month. That will have to do. Hope yours was a good holiday! |
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