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Yannis · 23rd September 2005, 08:12 AM

After the slaughter of millions Armenians and Greeks (1910-1922) it was not wise anymore to say that you are minority or Christian in Turkey. In Trabzon they still live crypto-christians.

erlikhan · 23rd September 2005, 01:32 PM

Rivkin I agree that it can happen everywhere,who knows? Perhaps Acaras who are a bit close to Lazs in origin are meant? They are Muslim Georgians in Batum and Artvin area, but they accept their being Georgians.

Yannis, you call population exchange as "slaughtering" ?
The fact, in 1924, 1,2 millions of Greeks went to Greece(all population except Istanbul), and only 400.000 Turks from Greece to Turkey(all except Western Thrace) in the pop. exchange agreement. Whyso less?Because you had massacred millions alreadily from 1820s to 1922, Turks killed under the Greek occupation in Western Turkey being not included,and many Greek today dont deny these facts even defends like "it is normal ,we should clean our motherland from all Turks", while Greek minority in Turkey were living rich and comfortable life serving and backed by imperialists. Dont forget there are still plenty of any kind of churches all around in Turkey but NOT a single remaining mosque in Athens where in Ottoman time there were more than 30 and where still thousands of Muslim Turks and Albanians live,plus construction of a new one is not let in an EU country. That's enough evidence for your country's mentality i guess. Plus, I would prefer to lose all my money and estates and migrate or even to die instead of compromising from myself and my honour.If no Turks in Greece preferred to change their religion and identities to be able to stay there, but if many Greeks as you said- preferred to forget theirs permanently to be able to stay here! and if they still didn't change back even after the peace came in a few years or didnt migrate later to be able to keep their identities, you must ask about your own national characteristics, not ours.

Mark · 23rd September 2005, 02:50 PM

Closing the thread. 30 day bans for that last two posts -- and it will be permenant if I learn that this is the third offense.

Peaple, please, READ THE RULES ON POSTING, and if you must make an off-topic socio-political comment, consider either not making it, or doing it through PM and/or e-mail.

This has NOTHING to do with the merits of either side of a particular dispute, but this forum is just not the place for it.

The key is never to rise to the bait, no matter how carefully laid and temping.

23rd September 2005, 01:32 PM	#2
erlikhan Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Istanbul Posts: 452	Rivkin I agree that it can happen everywhere,who knows? Perhaps Acaras who are a bit close to Lazs in origin are meant? They are Muslim Georgians in Batum and Artvin area, but they accept their being Georgians. Yannis, you call population exchange as "slaughtering" ? The fact, in 1924, 1,2 millions of Greeks went to Greece(all population except Istanbul), and only 400.000 Turks from Greece to Turkey(all except Western Thrace) in the pop. exchange agreement. Whyso less?Because you had massacred millions alreadily from 1820s to 1922, Turks killed under the Greek occupation in Western Turkey being not included,and many Greek today dont deny these facts even defends like "it is normal ,we should clean our motherland from all Turks", while Greek minority in Turkey were living rich and comfortable life serving and backed by imperialists. Dont forget there are still plenty of any kind of churches all around in Turkey but NOT a single remaining mosque in Athens where in Ottoman time there were more than 30 and where still thousands of Muslim Turks and Albanians live,plus construction of a new one is not let in an EU country. That's enough evidence for your country's mentality i guess. Plus, I would prefer to lose all my money and estates and migrate or even to die instead of compromising from myself and my honour.If no Turks in Greece preferred to change their religion and identities to be able to stay there, but if many Greeks as you said- preferred to forget theirs permanently to be able to stay here! and if they still didn't change back even after the peace came in a few years or didnt migrate later to be able to keep their identities, you must ask about your own national characteristics, not ours. Last edited by erlikhan; 23rd September 2005 at 02:48 PM.

23rd September 2005, 02:50 PM	#3
Mark Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 987	Closing the thread. 30 day bans for that last two posts -- and it will be permenant if I learn that this is the third offense. Peaple, please, READ THE RULES ON POSTING, and if you must make an off-topic socio-political comment, consider either not making it, or doing it through PM and/or e-mail. This has NOTHING to do with the merits of either side of a particular dispute, but this forum is just not the place for it. The key is never to rise to the bait, no matter how carefully laid and temping. Last edited by Mark Bowditch; 23rd September 2005 at 08:31 PM. Reason: After further review of the situation, bans extended to 30 days

23rd September 2005, 08:12 AM	#1
Yannis Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Athens Greece Posts: 479	After the slaughter of millions Armenians and Greeks (1910-1922) it was not wise anymore to say that you are minority or Christian in Turkey. In Trabzon they still live crypto-christians.