buginesse

[Jean]

Originally Posted by David

I wouldn't mind hearing more thoughts on the cultural/status significance of the "toli-toli". I believe we had a brief discussion on these once before.

Hello David,
One distinguished forum member was kind enough to make a summarized translation of the topic in the book "Senjata Pusaka Bugis" as follows:

"The passsio sumange (or toli-toli) functions to bring together the "energy" of humanity and iron (in the sense of weaponry?) so that they can live together in harmony.
Apart from being an accessory, the passio sumange functions as a safeguard. In past times if you wanted to meet with the Raja the kris had to be tight in the scabbard and tightly tied with the passio sumange. This was done to ensure that the kris did not suddenly come out in front of the Raja. If that happened, the person with the kris would be immediately stabbed because it was considered that he intended to do something that was not good for the safety of the Raja.
Apart from that, according to Bissu Matowa Saidi, if considered from the mystic pont of view, the pasio sumange is also able to give a vibration to the wearer that something will happen to threaten him or his family."

Thanks to the contributor and regards.

[Ganja Iras]

dear all..here i post some closer pic's of the blades ,warangka and also (new made ) silver pendhok and toli toli.
thanks to you guys

ganja iras

[Battara]

Nice work.

The top one that you posted today seems to perhaps have some damage covered up by some later silver chasing work at the bottom of the scabbard next to the buntut.

[Jean]

The silver sheets used for making the pendoks are thin, the warangkas look old but the first one is disproportionately long for the blade so probably not originally matching with it.
Ganja Iras did not tell us yet from where or whom did he got these pieces, this would be an interesting information for us I think. I have 2 similar pieces bought in Lombok which I already showed in this forum.
Regards

[Ganja Iras]

Originally Posted by Jean

The silver sheets used for making the pendoks are thin, the warangkas look old but the first one is disproportionately long for the blade so probably not originally matching with it.
Ganja Iras did not tell us yet from where or whom did he got these pieces, this would be an interesting information for us I think. I have 2 similar pieces bought in Lombok which I already showed in this forum.
Regards

hallo Jean ,

I really want to give you more info about the kerisses ,but my english not so good .
I obtain all of them from keris seller in sumbawa island ,and he told me that he found it in bima .
All off the blade and warangka / sheaths are old ,and the silver pendhok toli toli pendhokok (mendhak ) are newly made in lombok : somewhere arround mataram .
I hope you'll satisfied with my little info.
Thanks and regards ,

Ganja iras

[Jean]

Hello Ganja Iras,
Thank you very much for the useful information and it confirms my impression that this type of Bugis kris originates from Sumbawa and they are refurbished and embellished in Lombok.
And your English is good enough to be perfectly understood, don't be shy!
Best regards

Originally Posted by Ganja Iras

hallo Jean ,

I really want to give you more info about the kerisses ,but my english not so good .
I obtain all of them from keris seller in sumbawa island ,and he told me that he found it in bima .
All off the blade and warangka / sheaths are old ,and the silver pendhok toli toli pendhokok (mendhak ) are newly made in lombok : somewhere arround mataram .
I hope you'll satisfied with my little info.
Thanks and regards ,

Ganja iras

[Battara]

Originally Posted by Jean

The silver sheets used for making the pendoks are thin

Yes that makes sense since repousse needs thin sheets to do the work.