Gun Barrel ID

rickystl · 4th November 2012, 07:14 PM

This is a smooth bore pistol barrel. Does anyone know the markings on the barrel? Looks Greek to me. Thanks for any help. Rick.

rickystl · 12th November 2012, 12:26 AM

Thought I would move this up and give it another try? Thanks for any help. Rick.

RDGAC · 15th November 2012, 04:59 PM

I keep looking at this but every time I do, I find myself puzzled. I have to say that I don't think it looks like Greek (at least, not any Greek script I've ever seen - I wouldn't pretend even for a second that I have any ability in the language), or indeed Cyrillic.

Weirdly, the marks almost look more like the sort of talismanic stuff you normally see on swords and the like from Northern Africa, to my (untrained) eye at least. Perhaps a North African pistol barrel?

Also, what's up with that little scab of metal toward the fore-end? It looks as if someone's been at it with a file.

Best,

Meredydd

Lyubo_sr · 15th November 2012, 08:42 PM

It certainly is not Cyrillic.
There are many markings imitating signs.
Shown in the third picture looks like somewhat of a probationary stamp of the third test trial of arms, Birmingham, placed untill 1904- see attachment.
I hope I was helpful.

kahnjar1 · 15th November 2012, 09:19 PM

Hi Ricky,
I have thoroughly gone thru my Proof Mark reference books and can find no mark the same as those shown on the side of the barrel. The crossed maces?? look a bit like the marks used by the Birmingham Proof House in the UK but are NOT the same, so the origin remains a mystery. As to the marks on the top of the barrel, I have no idea at all. The script, if is IS actually script, is not familiar.
Sorry I can't be of more help.
Regards Stu

rickystl · 18th November 2012, 07:44 PM

OK. Thank you all for your input. This one is a real puzzle. Appreciate your efforts. Rick.

Andreas · 19th November 2012, 02:00 PM

Dont know what the script is, or even if it is one, but the proof marks look like the British pre-1813 Kings Proof and View mark, see http://www.birminghamgunmuseum.com/m...ptres_Mark.pdf
Regards,
Andreas

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 19th November 2012, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Andreas

Dont know what the script is, or even if it is one, but the proof marks look like the British pre-1813 Kings Proof and View mark, see http://www.birminghamgunmuseum.com/m...ptres_Mark.pdf
Regards,
Andreas

Salaams Andreas ~ Thoroughly excellent reference thanks I enjoyed reading that...
Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi

kahnjar1 · 19th November 2012, 06:57 PM

Yes I agree they LOOK like, but are not IMHO. Proof marks do not vary in any way as they are an OFFICIAL item designed for a specific purpose.....gun barrel Proof, and the Brits take this VERY seriously, for a very good reason....safety.
Stu

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andreas

Dont know what the script is, or even if it is one, but the proof marks look like the British pre-1813 Kings Proof and View mark, see http://www.birminghamgunmuseum.com/m...ptres_Mark.pdf
Regards,
Andreas

Andreas · 19th November 2012, 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kahnjar1

Yes I agree they LOOK like, but are not IMHO. Proof marks do not vary in any way as they are an OFFICIAL item designed for a specific purpose.....gun barrel Proof, and the Brits take this VERY seriously, for a very good reason....safety.
Stu

A reasonable assumption, but it seems that there were variations within the basic design of these early crown over crossed sceptres marks, please check the pics below. In numismatics a similar situation is called a die variety, variations in a coin’s design that are attributed to the die from which the coin was struck.
Regards,
Andreas

Andreas · 19th November 2012, 09:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ibrahiim al Balooshi

Salaams Andreas ~ Thoroughly excellent reference thanks I enjoyed reading that...
Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi

Xerete Ibrahiim,
Thank you and I'm glad you found the article interesting.
Regards
Andreas

kahnjar1 · 20th November 2012, 12:28 AM

Your point is taken re variances. My comments are based on three very notable authors who have researched world Proof Marks. They are W.W Greener, Mr Lee Kennett and Baron Engelhardt, all of whom have published works on the subject.
Regards Stuart

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andreas

A reasonable assumption, but it seems that there were variations within the basic design of these early crown over crossed sceptres marks, please check the pics below. In numismatics a similar situation is called a die variety, variations in a coin’s design that are attributed to the die from which the coin was struck.
Regards,
Andreas

4th November 2012, 07:14 PM	#1
rickystl Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO area. Posts: 1,623	Gun Barrel ID This is a smooth bore pistol barrel. Does anyone know the markings on the barrel? Looks Greek to me. Thanks for any help. Rick. Attached Images

15th November 2012, 08:42 PM	#4
Lyubo_sr Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Bulgaria Posts: 4	It certainly is not Cyrillic. There are many markings imitating signs. Shown in the third picture looks like somewhat of a probationary stamp of the third test trial of arms, Birmingham, placed untill 1904- see attachment. I hope I was helpful. Attached Images

19th November 2012, 02:00 PM	#7
Andreas Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Ionian Islands, Greece Posts: 96	Dont know what the script is, or even if it is one, but the proof marks look like the British pre-1813 Kings Proof and View mark, see http://www.birminghamgunmuseum.com/m...ptres_Mark.pdf Regards, Andreas Attached Images

12th November 2012, 12:26 AM	#2
rickystl Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO area. Posts: 1,623	Thought I would move this up and give it another try? Thanks for any help. Rick.

15th November 2012, 04:59 PM	#3
RDGAC Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: York, UK Posts: 167	I keep looking at this but every time I do, I find myself puzzled. I have to say that I don't think it looks like Greek (at least, not any Greek script I've ever seen - I wouldn't pretend even for a second that I have any ability in the language), or indeed Cyrillic. Weirdly, the marks almost look more like the sort of talismanic stuff you normally see on swords and the like from Northern Africa, to my (untrained) eye at least. Perhaps a North African pistol barrel? Also, what's up with that little scab of metal toward the fore-end? It looks as if someone's been at it with a file. Best, Meredydd

15th November 2012, 09:19 PM	#5
kahnjar1 Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: CHRISTCHURCH NEW ZEALAND Posts: 2,741	Hi Ricky, I have thoroughly gone thru my Proof Mark reference books and can find no mark the same as those shown on the side of the barrel. The crossed maces?? look a bit like the marks used by the Birmingham Proof House in the UK but are NOT the same, so the origin remains a mystery. As to the marks on the top of the barrel, I have no idea at all. The script, if is IS actually script, is not familiar. Sorry I can't be of more help. Regards Stu

18th November 2012, 07:44 PM	#6
rickystl Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO area. Posts: 1,623	OK. Thank you all for your input. This one is a real puzzle. Appreciate your efforts. Rick.