MOST DESIRED OCEANIC WAR CLUBS 1: MARQUESAS

VANDOO · 10th August 2012, 08:29 PM

HERE ARE PICTURES OF MY 3 EXAMPLES THE TWO LARGER ONES ARE PRE WW2 BUT HAVE BEEN BADLY TREATED BY A PREVIOUS OWNER FOR HANGING ON A WALL LONG AGO. THE SMALLER ONE IS A MORE RECENT SMALL SIZE TOURIST ART ITEM BUT VERY WELL DONE OF A HARD HEAVY WOOD. I WOULD NOT WISH TO BE CONKED BY ANY OF THEM.

THE LONGEST IS 46 INCHES, SECOND 42 INCHES AND THE BABY BEAR IS 23 3/4IN. LONG. NONE ARE GOOD OLD PRE CONTACT EXAMPLES.
SOME PICTURES OF OTHER TOURIST ARTS SOME ADZ AND ANOTHER CLUB FORM.

VANDOO · 10th August 2012, 08:43 PM

HERE ARE THE LAST 2 ITEMS I WILL POST FROM THE MARQUESAS BEFORE I MOVE ON TO THE NEXT CLUB FORM. FEEL FREE TO ADD ANY APPROPRIATE PICTURES OR INFORMATION, THE MORE INFORMATION, COMMENTS AND EXAMPLES PICTURED THE BETTER THE REFRENCE.
1. ADZ 2. TOURIST ART CLUB

lordkoos · 11th August 2012, 07:29 AM

It's interesting to me how some of the carved motifs resemble native American and Canadian art from the Pacific Northwest and Alaska.

VANDOO · 11th August 2012, 07:22 PM

THOUGH THE INFLUENCES IN ART AND BELIEFS ARE SEEN ALL OVER THE WORLD. BECAUSE WE HAVE NO WRITTEN HISTORY OF OCEANIC MIGRATION OR ITS MANY EPIC VOYAGES IT IS LARGELY IGNORED.
THUS WE ONLY HEAR OF COLUMBUS, MAGELLAN AND CAPTIAN COOK NOT THOSE WHO ARRIVED BEFORE THEM WITH THE CULTURES THEY FOUND ON THEIR ARRIVAL.
THERE ARE MANY SIMULARITYS IN THE ART OF THE PEUBLO DWELLING TRIBES OF AMERICA AND IN ANCIENT CHINESE ART ESPECIALLY EARLY POTTERY. NORTHWEST AND OCEANIC ART ALSO HAS MANY SIMULARITYS WITH ASIA. WE KNOW SO LITTLE BUT TRY TO PUT THE PIECES OF THE PUZZLE TOGETHER KNOWING THAT MANY PIECES ARE MISSING.

ASH · 11th August 2012, 07:52 PM

Great Thread,
Thank you VANDOO for bringing the topic of war clubs in to the fray.
These's 'U'u clubs have got to be some of the most interesting and striking of any of the world's weapons! An interesting side note about there height, I was told that it was determined by the owner's arm pit height, so that the club would rest there like a kind of crutch.
I know I just shared some pics of my clubs in recent posts, but here are some more of my 'U'u.
Lookin forward to the rest of your "greatest club threads"!

VANDOO · 26th August 2012, 06:21 PM

ASH TWO FEATURES ON YOUR CLUB ARE VERY INTERESTING THE NOSE AND MOUTH CARVED ON THE HEAD OF THE CLUB ON ONE SIDE ONLY IS UNIQUE. THE OTHER IS ON SOME OF THE TIKIS THE EYE RESEMBLES A LEAF MAKES ONE WONDER IF THERE IS BOTH ANIMAL AND PLANT INCORPORATED A BIT INTO THE DESIGNS WHICH ARE NO DOUBT BASED ON THE BELIEFS OF THE SOCIETY. THE DESIGNS AND FORMS ARE ART BUT HAVE MEANING AS WELL AND CONSIDERING THE SERIOUSNESS OF BREAKING ANY TAPU IN POLYNESIAN SOCIETYS, TRADITION AND BELIEFS WERE NO DOUBT FOLLOWED.
ONE PICTURE OF A UU AND A CEREMONIAL PADDLE. I AM NOT SURE IF THIS KIND OF PADDLE WAS USED IN THE MARQUESAS BUT DO KNOW IT WAS FOUND IN THE COOK IS. AND PERHAPS IN TAHITI.
THE OTHER UNIQUE MARQUESAS CARVING WERE CEREMONIAL STILTS NOT SURE WHAT CEREMONIAL PURPOSE THEY SERVED? TWO PICTURES OF STILTS AND A UNUSUAL TIKI CARVING IN TRADITIONAL MARQUESAN FORM.

VANDOO · 24th December 2012, 05:27 AM

TWO MORE INTERESTING VARIATIONS CLOSED TODAY I BID WITH 2 SECONDS TO GO BUT THE SAME SNIPER GOT ME ON BOTH. FROM THE AMOUNT OF WINS AND FEEDBACK OF THE BIDDER ITS LIKELY WE WILL SEE THEM ON AUCTION IN FUTURE. IF HE IS JUST A COLLECTOR LIKE ME HE IS EVEVEN SICKER THAN ME AND MUST HAVE AN ENOUMUS HOUSE.

THE LARGER ONE IS 53 INCHES TALL AND THE SHORTER ONE 39 INCHES. I SUSPECT NEITHER IS PRECONTACT BUT EARLY ONES MADE FOR SALE TO THOSE WHO TRAVEL. THE SHORTER IS LIKELY THE NEWER OF THE TWO. NOT HANDELING THEM I WOULD GUESS 1930'S TO 1940'S IMPOSIBLE TO TELL FROM PICTURES.

Diceman · 7th February 2013, 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by VANDOO

ASH TWO FEATURES ON YOUR CLUB ARE VERY INTERESTING THE NOSE AND MOUTH CARVED ON THE HEAD OF THE CLUB ON ONE SIDE ONLY IS UNIQUE. THE OTHER IS ON SOME OF THE TIKIS THE EYE RESEMBLES A LEAF MAKES ONE WONDER IF THERE IS BOTH ANIMAL AND PLANT INCORPORATED A BIT INTO THE DESIGNS WHICH ARE NO DOUBT BASED ON THE BELIEFS OF THE SOCIETY. THE DESIGNS AND FORMS ARE ART BUT HAVE MEANING AS WELL AND CONSIDERING THE SERIOUSNESS OF BREAKING ANY TAPU IN POLYNESIAN SOCIETYS, TRADITION AND BELIEFS WERE NO DOUBT FOLLOWED.
ONE PICTURE OF A UU AND A CEREMONIAL PADDLE. I AM NOT SURE IF THIS KIND OF PADDLE WAS USED IN THE MARQUESAS BUT DO KNOW IT WAS FOUND IN THE COOK IS. AND PERHAPS IN TAHITI.
THE OTHER UNIQUE MARQUESAS CARVING WERE CEREMONIAL STILTS NOT SURE WHAT CEREMONIAL PURPOSE THEY SERVED? TWO PICTURES OF STILTS AND A UNUSUAL TIKI CARVING IN TRADITIONAL MARQUESAN FORM.

Vandoo, The Paddle in that sketch is actually from the Austral Islands. They were not used in the water. Quite a few of them were made and used for trade. I think I heard somewhere that there are about 1000 in private collections and museums. Here is one I carved a few years ago.

10th August 2012, 08:29 PM	#1
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	HERE ARE PICTURES OF MY 3 EXAMPLES THE TWO LARGER ONES ARE PRE WW2 BUT HAVE BEEN BADLY TREATED BY A PREVIOUS OWNER FOR HANGING ON A WALL LONG AGO. THE SMALLER ONE IS A MORE RECENT SMALL SIZE TOURIST ART ITEM BUT VERY WELL DONE OF A HARD HEAVY WOOD. I WOULD NOT WISH TO BE CONKED BY ANY OF THEM. THE LONGEST IS 46 INCHES, SECOND 42 INCHES AND THE BABY BEAR IS 23 3/4IN. LONG. NONE ARE GOOD OLD PRE CONTACT EXAMPLES. SOME PICTURES OF OTHER TOURIST ARTS SOME ADZ AND ANOTHER CLUB FORM. Attached Images

10th August 2012, 08:43 PM	#2
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	HERE ARE THE LAST 2 ITEMS I WILL POST FROM THE MARQUESAS BEFORE I MOVE ON TO THE NEXT CLUB FORM. FEEL FREE TO ADD ANY APPROPRIATE PICTURES OR INFORMATION, THE MORE INFORMATION, COMMENTS AND EXAMPLES PICTURED THE BETTER THE REFRENCE. 1. ADZ 2. TOURIST ART CLUB Attached Images

11th August 2012, 07:52 PM	#5
ASH Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 13	Great Thread, Thank you VANDOO for bringing the topic of war clubs in to the fray. These's 'U'u clubs have got to be some of the most interesting and striking of any of the world's weapons! An interesting side note about there height, I was told that it was determined by the owner's arm pit height, so that the club would rest there like a kind of crutch. I know I just shared some pics of my clubs in recent posts, but here are some more of my 'U'u. Lookin forward to the rest of your "greatest club threads"! Attached Images Last edited by ASH; 12th August 2012 at 04:52 AM.

26th August 2012, 06:21 PM	#6
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	ASH TWO FEATURES ON YOUR CLUB ARE VERY INTERESTING THE NOSE AND MOUTH CARVED ON THE HEAD OF THE CLUB ON ONE SIDE ONLY IS UNIQUE. THE OTHER IS ON SOME OF THE TIKIS THE EYE RESEMBLES A LEAF MAKES ONE WONDER IF THERE IS BOTH ANIMAL AND PLANT INCORPORATED A BIT INTO THE DESIGNS WHICH ARE NO DOUBT BASED ON THE BELIEFS OF THE SOCIETY. THE DESIGNS AND FORMS ARE ART BUT HAVE MEANING AS WELL AND CONSIDERING THE SERIOUSNESS OF BREAKING ANY TAPU IN POLYNESIAN SOCIETYS, TRADITION AND BELIEFS WERE NO DOUBT FOLLOWED. ONE PICTURE OF A UU AND A CEREMONIAL PADDLE. I AM NOT SURE IF THIS KIND OF PADDLE WAS USED IN THE MARQUESAS BUT DO KNOW IT WAS FOUND IN THE COOK IS. AND PERHAPS IN TAHITI. THE OTHER UNIQUE MARQUESAS CARVING WERE CEREMONIAL STILTS NOT SURE WHAT CEREMONIAL PURPOSE THEY SERVED? TWO PICTURES OF STILTS AND A UNUSUAL TIKI CARVING IN TRADITIONAL MARQUESAN FORM. Attached Images Last edited by VANDOO; 26th August 2012 at 06:34 PM.

24th December 2012, 05:27 AM	#7
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	TWO MORE INTERESTING VARIATIONS CLOSED TODAY I BID WITH 2 SECONDS TO GO BUT THE SAME SNIPER GOT ME ON BOTH. FROM THE AMOUNT OF WINS AND FEEDBACK OF THE BIDDER ITS LIKELY WE WILL SEE THEM ON AUCTION IN FUTURE. IF HE IS JUST A COLLECTOR LIKE ME HE IS EVEVEN SICKER THAN ME AND MUST HAVE AN ENOUMUS HOUSE. THE LARGER ONE IS 53 INCHES TALL AND THE SHORTER ONE 39 INCHES. I SUSPECT NEITHER IS PRECONTACT BUT EARLY ONES MADE FOR SALE TO THOSE WHO TRAVEL. THE SHORTER IS LIKELY THE NEWER OF THE TWO. NOT HANDELING THEM I WOULD GUESS 1930'S TO 1940'S IMPOSIBLE TO TELL FROM PICTURES. Attached Images

11th August 2012, 07:29 AM	#3
lordkoos Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 22	It's interesting to me how some of the carved motifs resemble native American and Canadian art from the Pacific Northwest and Alaska.

11th August 2012, 07:22 PM	#4
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	THOUGH THE INFLUENCES IN ART AND BELIEFS ARE SEEN ALL OVER THE WORLD. BECAUSE WE HAVE NO WRITTEN HISTORY OF OCEANIC MIGRATION OR ITS MANY EPIC VOYAGES IT IS LARGELY IGNORED. THUS WE ONLY HEAR OF COLUMBUS, MAGELLAN AND CAPTIAN COOK NOT THOSE WHO ARRIVED BEFORE THEM WITH THE CULTURES THEY FOUND ON THEIR ARRIVAL. THERE ARE MANY SIMULARITYS IN THE ART OF THE PEUBLO DWELLING TRIBES OF AMERICA AND IN ANCIENT CHINESE ART ESPECIALLY EARLY POTTERY. NORTHWEST AND OCEANIC ART ALSO HAS MANY SIMULARITYS WITH ASIA. WE KNOW SO LITTLE BUT TRY TO PUT THE PIECES OF THE PUZZLE TOGETHER KNOWING THAT MANY PIECES ARE MISSING.