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6th July 2012, 08:00 PM
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From what I remember is generally associated with late-15th c. Hungarian swords of Venetian type is the attached form of a long saber or Grosses Messer, the hilt of characteristic Italian shape.
The similarity between the pommels and hilts of Venetian and Hungarian swords in the late 15th c. is, on the one hand, based on the fact that Northern Italy was style-defining throughout the Renaissance period, while on the other, Hungarian soldiers did service in Venetia in the second half of the 15th c. Alain's sword is certainly an authentic Venetian piece of the 1480's; even the grip leather with its characteristically thick cord binding underneath seems to be the original. The Passau wolf does not necessarily mean that the blade was imported from Passau; since at least the 15th c., it had become a wellknown trade mark and was copied widely. m Last edited by Matchlock; 7th July 2012 at 05:01 PM. |
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7th July 2012, 10:34 PM
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8th July 2012, 03:58 PM
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Exactly, Valjuhn,
Sorry for overlooking that thread. You can identify your type of sword among the group displayed on the right in the photo from the Doges Palace at Venice I posted above. Best, Michael Last edited by Matchlock; 8th July 2012 at 04:15 PM. |
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8th July 2012, 04:23 PM
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These Venetian swords are referred to in Armi Bianche, 1975.
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22nd July 2012, 04:18 PM
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Hi all,
I just come back home and read all your posts. Let me thank you for your interest and the photos as well. I learned so much...Great and cool !!! The thread "Schiavona and swords variations" was also very helpful. About the Passau wolf on the blade, is it coherent to say that a blade could have been made in Passau and guard, pommel, quillons in Hungary.? I read on Oakeshott books that parts of the swords can be made in several locations and put togheter in one. Blades due to their costs were often reused and swords becoming then composite. What about that? All the best Alain |
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22nd July 2012, 05:35 PM
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Hi Alain, Although blades, just like barrels, were exported widely it is more reasonable to assume that a blade showing a wolf mark and combined with an Eastern European hilt was most probably made in the same country as the hilt and, as I pointed out, the wolf was copied as a traditional trade mark because it was generally associated with superior quality. Best, Michael |
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23rd July 2012, 05:38 AM
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I HAVE JUST ENJOYED REVISITING AND READING THIS POST AND LOOKING AT THE PRETTY PICTURES. I NOTICIED SOMETHING ABOUT ONE EXAMPLE I POSTED EARLY IN THE POST. HERE IS A PICTURE OF IT SO YOU WON'T HAVE TO GO SEARCH TO SEE WHAT I AM REFERRING TO.
THE GAURD IS FORMED WITH FINGER JOINTS AND A CLAW AT THE END. PERHAPS A DRAGON OR CHIMERAS CLAWS ARE REPRESENTED. VERY COOL DON'T SEE HOW I MISSED IT BEFORE. 
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