How to determine if blade has bloodstains??

Spunjer · 5th September 2005, 01:57 PM

i believe these were blood splatters that was left to dry on this kris. the angles of the etch are very consistent with a slash. one the other side, about 9 inches to the point is black, which appears to be this side was facing the ground (therefore no spray mark). again, IMO, this kris was left out in the open for a while before it was picked up. by this time the blood already etched thru the blade. just my opinion

nechesh · 5th September 2005, 02:15 PM

Spunjer, i remember when you showed this blade the first time. It seems unlikely to me that blood would lay so equally along the entire length of the blade like that. It was my impression that this patterning was some kind of forging technique.

Spunjer · 5th September 2005, 02:37 PM

hi nechesh,
i would bring this piece today in your neck of the woods, but i hate to be sorrounded by mason police when this thing triggers the metal detector while going in kings island, lol (btw, this is my third day in a row going to that place, kids been dragging me...

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the blackened area are actually pitted in the blade, giving it a rough texture, making me think otherwise. again, just my opinion...

Justin · 5th September 2005, 03:38 PM

I have to agree with nechesh ,the kris looks like its just showing its lamination,{I have a Moro spearhead with similar although much more faint lamination},left on the battle field or not,I think it would take hours and hours of soaking in blood before you might possibly have a permanant stain.

I have soaked blades in HYDROCHLORIC ACID to etch them and still the etch comes off with ease ,I just dont think blood in potent enough to leave a mark on the blade for years afterward.

Aurangzeb · 5th September 2005, 05:05 PM

Hello all!

I have a Sudanese dagger from the Mahdiest revolt that was almost certainly used, although worn it has no stains or much pitting. I don't think blood whould be let on that long to be let to leave a stain. If I remember my science teachers lecture on blood a black light should show it up but if it's been cleaned many times I don't think it will work. Just my two cents!

Mark...

Robert · 5th September 2005, 05:38 PM

A Philippine dagger with what looks like the same staining. I believe these stains were made by someone who wraped the knife for storage or shipping and the cloth or paper it was wrapped with got wet. After being this way for an extended period of time the pattern you see is the result. Leaving a blade in a wet leather scabbard for a long period of time can do the same because of the acids used in tanning the leather. IMHO Blood being left on a blade would have to stay damp without being washed away for quite a few days if not weeks or even longer to cause this type of staining to a blade.

Robert

5th September 2005, 01:57 PM	#1
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	i believe these were blood splatters that was left to dry on this kris. the angles of the etch are very consistent with a slash. one the other side, about 9 inches to the point is black, which appears to be this side was facing the ground (therefore no spray mark). again, IMO, this kris was left out in the open for a while before it was picked up. by this time the blood already etched thru the blade. just my opinion Attached Images

5th September 2005, 02:37 PM	#3
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	hi nechesh, i would bring this piece today in your neck of the woods, but i hate to be sorrounded by mason police when this thing triggers the metal detector while going in kings island, lol (btw, this is my third day in a row going to that place, kids been dragging me.....) the blackened area are actually pitted in the blade, giving it a rough texture, making me think otherwise. again, just my opinion...

5th September 2005, 03:38 PM	#4
Justin Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 180	I have to agree with nechesh ,the kris looks like its just showing its lamination,{I have a Moro spearhead with similar although much more faint lamination},left on the battle field or not,I think it would take hours and hours of soaking in blood before you might possibly have a permanant stain. I have soaked blades in HYDROCHLORIC ACID to etch them and still the etch comes off with ease ,I just dont think blood in potent enough to leave a mark on the blade for years afterward. Last edited by Justin; 5th September 2005 at 04:03 PM.

5th September 2005, 05:38 PM	#6
Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	A Philippine dagger with what looks like the same staining. I believe these stains were made by someone who wraped the knife for storage or shipping and the cloth or paper it was wrapped with got wet. After being this way for an extended period of time the pattern you see is the result. Leaving a blade in a wet leather scabbard for a long period of time can do the same because of the acids used in tanning the leather. IMHO Blood being left on a blade would have to stay damp without being washed away for quite a few days if not weeks or even longer to cause this type of staining to a blade. Robert Attached Images Last edited by Robert Coleman; 5th September 2005 at 09:22 PM.

5th September 2005, 02:15 PM	#2
nechesh Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 940	Spunjer, i remember when you showed this blade the first time. It seems unlikely to me that blood would lay so equally along the entire length of the blade like that. It was my impression that this patterning was some kind of forging technique.

5th September 2005, 05:05 PM	#5
Aurangzeb Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 306	Hello all! I have a Sudanese dagger from the Mahdiest revolt that was almost certainly used, although worn it has no stains or much pitting. I don't think blood whould be let on that long to be let to leave a stain. If I remember my science teachers lecture on blood a black light should show it up but if it's been cleaned many times I don't think it will work. Just my two cents! Mark...