New Keris/Keris baru

Jean · 3rd June 2012, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

However, anybody who can absorb what I've written and who then uses it as a basis for increase of knowledge will be a long way along the road towards avoiding regrettable error.

Alan, this is exactly what I mean and what I need after having downgraded my original ambitions.

About acquiring a deep knowledge of the Javanese keris (understanding the tangguh system, etc) like you and the Solyom could do with strenuous efforts few decades ago, I tend to believe that this is a past opportunity as the ahli keris have become an endangered species....
Thank you again and best regards

ariel · 3rd June 2012, 01:46 PM

"Ariel you have raised some seemingly interesting questions here, and I'll do my best to respond. My responses are interpolated."

Thanks for the explanations.
What I take out of it, is that real study of keris is essentially limited to the selective few individuals who made a conscious decision to immerse themselves into indonesian society in all its aspects, from language, customs, mode of interactions, religious and mystic beliefs etc, and only then start learning the specifics of keris as such, in all its technical, ethnic, artistic and evolutionary aspects. In short, to become a highly intelligent and educated native indonesian with deep knowledge of keris per se. The rest of us can only glimpse the superficial aspects..... Rather depressing....

Well, perhaps that explains and justifies my decision not to become a dedicated "kerisologist", but to concentrate on other weapon traditions.

With your permission, from time to time I shall still continue to ask naive keris-related question, and hope to get some snippets of education from the specialists.

With my highest respect and best wishes.

ariel · 20th June 2012, 01:05 AM

Dear Mr. Maisey,
Many thanks for offering your help.
These are the best pics I could take. Hope they are OK for your eye.

ariel · 20th June 2012, 01:06 AM

Keris #2

ariel · 20th June 2012, 01:15 AM

Keris #3

ariel · 20th June 2012, 01:17 AM

Keris #3 additional pics

A. G. Maisey · 21st June 2012, 04:58 AM

Thanks Ariel.

I'll post a comment or two as soon as I have time.

Please address me as Alan.

Thanks.

20th June 2012, 01:06 AM	#4
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Keris #2 Attached Images

20th June 2012, 01:15 AM	#5
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Keris #3 Attached Images

20th June 2012, 01:17 AM	#6
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Keris #3 additional pics Attached Images

3rd June 2012, 01:46 PM	#2
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	"Ariel you have raised some seemingly interesting questions here, and I'll do my best to respond. My responses are interpolated." Thanks for the explanations. What I take out of it, is that real study of keris is essentially limited to the selective few individuals who made a conscious decision to immerse themselves into indonesian society in all its aspects, from language, customs, mode of interactions, religious and mystic beliefs etc, and only then start learning the specifics of keris as such, in all its technical, ethnic, artistic and evolutionary aspects. In short, to become a highly intelligent and educated native indonesian with deep knowledge of keris per se. The rest of us can only glimpse the superficial aspects..... Rather depressing.... Well, perhaps that explains and justifies my decision not to become a dedicated "kerisologist", but to concentrate on other weapon traditions. With your permission, from time to time I shall still continue to ask naive keris-related question, and hope to get some snippets of education from the specialists. With my highest respect and best wishes.

20th June 2012, 01:05 AM	#3
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Dear Mr. Maisey, Many thanks for offering your help. These are the best pics I could take. Hope they are OK for your eye. Attached Images

21st June 2012, 04:58 AM	#7
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,015	Thanks Ariel. I'll post a comment or two as soon as I have time. Please address me as Alan. Thanks.