Anyone recognizeStamps on Cinquedea

[longfellow]

Originally Posted by Dmitry

It would not surprise me if this was a replica.
Please post the photo of the whole piece.

Personally, it would surprise if it wasn't a replica. Not sure I could handle the thought of how much a real one might be worth.

Here's an 'overall' of the piece - if there is something or an angle you want a shot of, please let me know.

[cornelistromp]

yes it is nice however it is not an original cinquedea.
it is a 19thC or later reproduction.

best,

[longfellow]

Originally Posted by cornelistromp

yes it is nice however it is not an original cinquedea.
it is a 19thC or later reproduction.

best,

Thank you for your suggestion of when the piece was made. Like I said, it would surprise me if it wasn't a reproduction.

However, back to my original question - does any one happen to know what the stamps on the blade are? or are for?

They aren't 'holes' (they don't go all the way through), but deep stamps in the blade. Are they decoration? or was somebody bored that day? or indication of a maker or city? or what? Does anybody have any idea?

I haven't been able to find enough pieces that aren't the fantasy toys or modern version replicas to be able to determine what the marks are.

[Norman McCormick]

Hi Longfellow,
I would suggest that these stamps are part and parcel of the makers attempt to give the piece a more "authentic" medieval feel. A great many authentic old pieces have makers marks, religious devices, "lucky" marks etc. stamped or engraved into them and I think the marks on your dagger are there to give a more historic feel to the piece. In the 19thC a lot of reproductions were made to fill the great houses of the day. Some of those were of good quality being manufactured with careful attention detail so much so that it is not unusual to find these Victorian 'repros' being touted as the real thing from some dealers and auction houses. Hope this is of some help.
Regards,
Norman.

[Norman McCormick]

Hi,
Forgot to say, check out the 'Early makers trade marks' thread in the Classic Thread part of the Forum and you will see marks which resemble yours in a generic fashion.
Regards,
Norman.

[longfellow]

Originally Posted by Norman McCormick

Hi Longfellow,
I would suggest that these stamps are part and parcel of the makers attempt to give the piece a more "authentic" medieval feel.
Regards,
Norman.

Thank you, Norman.

I'm familiar with 'place holders' in a collection until the real thing comes along or whatever. And, not only did the estates have them, but good replicas were made for the theatre and such.

Having liquidated a 600+ piece collection of my dad's a few years ago and discovering that there were some incredibly good real ones mixed in, I try to cover all bases prior to deciding what to do with things. This is one of the pieces that was, until recently, still 'hanging around' (pun intended) along with a Ram Dha, parrying weapon, Qama and so on.

Thank you for taking the time to respond. I'll try and hit a few more books and see if I run across what the marks were suppose to represent. Who knows, perhaps it was made for a particular play.

Best regards.

[Matchlock]

Hi Longfellow and Norman,

I have known these star-shaped or flower-like punches as simple decorative patterns for the standard blacksmith's workshop. E.g., many 18th and 19th c. axe heads and related everyday-use ironworks show them, for example door hinges.

Best,
Michael

[longfellow]

Originally Posted by Matchlock

Hi Longfellow and Norman,

I have known these star-shaped of flower-like punches as simple decorative patterns for the standard blacksmith's workshop. E.g., many 18th and 19th c. axe heads show them.

Best,
Michael

Hi Michael.

Thank you very much. There were a few axes in his collection, too and perhaps that is where I have the vague recollection of seeing something like those stars/flowers. There were so many pieces, so little time and so much information to pour over that, at my age, the ram seems to be full and I have to flush the cache every once in a while to add more information. The nudge is appreciated!

[Dmitry]

Originally Posted by longfellow

Personally, it would surprise if it wasn't a replica.

Good!
This piece is so obviously "not real" that I was trying to be as indirect as possible, by using castrated language, so as not to offend anyone's sensibilities. I hope the moderating team appreciates my effort!