Bagobo Shield Puzzler

Indianajones · 22nd May 2012, 09:51 AM

Hi Colin, Joe (n the rest

),
thanks! And this is not even all and some pics of early last year. Will soon take new pics.
Takes a few years to gather . . . .

Colin; the mother of pearlpieces-necklace is (in the Ifugao tribe section) called 'pangalapang' and when you pick up the piece and the shellsections gently hit eachother you know why its called that! Worn by more wealthy women. Quite some fakes around and often the cord is renewed/replaced.
<incl. a pic of 2 women wearing>

Joe; actually the wood helmet with a face is extremely rare, even more rare than ordinary 'oklop' helmets which are more authenticaly worn. See 1 of the 2 helmets (beautifull!) I got on the pic with the Bulul statues. This -att.pic- helmet sold for a fat $6000,- thank you! Will post a new pic of my helmets soon and you will see the difference in patine.

For more reference; see www.rmv.nl for lots of Philippine material; search for 'igorot' or 'luzon'.

Best, Wouter

apolaki · 23rd May 2012, 07:07 AM

Greetings Joe,

Your collection of Igorot cultural items is very impressive. I was wondering if you would be able to identify one of my pieces. From what I understand and was told, it is a blanket from Kiangan. It is made by the Ikat dye technique. It has several designs on it [H] /\ \/ and a house on stilts. Could you share any impressions or information you may know? I would greatly appreciate it!

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Clubs & Arrows · 23rd May 2012, 02:33 PM

Hi Apolaki,
I'm afraid that my knowledge about Philippine textiles is very limited. Wouter is probably who you need to speak to, since he has them in the pics of his collection. My collection is primarily wood carved figural tools, weapons, Bululs, and hats.

Best regards,
Joe

VANDOO · 23rd May 2012, 03:49 PM

IMPRESSIVE COLLECTIONS AND DISPLAYS. ITS GOOD TO SEE OTHERS LIVE IN A MUSEUM TOO

I THINK I HAVE SEEN ONE OF THE SHIELDS LIKE THE ONE STARTING THE POST IN THE MISSOURI HISTORY MUSEUM IN ST LOUIS MISSOURI. IT WAS MADE FOR THE PHILIPPINE EXHIBIT AT THE WORLDS FAIR/ LOUSIANA PURCHASE EXPOSITION IN 1904. THERE WAS A LOT OF INTREST IN THE PHILIPPINES AT THE TIME DUE TO IT BEING A NEW TERRITORY AND THE WAR FOUGHT THERE.
THERE WAS SAID TO BE A LARGE EXHIBIT OF PHILIPPINE WEAPONS CAPTURED DURING THE SPANISH AMERICAN AND FOLLOWING WAR IN THE PHILIPPINES. I HAVE SOME ITEMS SAID TO COME FROM THIS EXHIBIT. THE EXHIBIT WAS FROM THE GENERAL HARRY H. BANDHOLTZ COLLECTION OF WEAPONS TAKEN DURING HIS STAY IN THE PHILIPPINES. I HAVE TRIED TO FIND PICTURES OF THIS DISPLAY BUT HAVE FAILED. PERHAPS A MEMBER FROM ST. LOUIS CAN FIND OUT MORE.
THE BEST I CAN DO IS THIS PICTURE OF THE SAMAL MORO ,VILLAGE EXHIBIT 1904

Sajen · 23rd May 2012, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by VANDOO

IMPRESSIVE COLLECTIONS AND DISPLAYS. ITS GOOD TO SEE OTHERS LIVE IN A MUSEUM TOO

Can't say it better!

Indianajones · 23rd May 2012, 07:00 PM

Hello all,

Apolaki; yes your blanket is indeed a Ifugao/ibaloi one, though am afraid I havent got good news for you concerning its age n authenticity.Firstly the blanket has a black, chemical dye and authentic ones have indigo blue. But can still be quite nice, decorative and can be used.

Joe; thanks also for allowing us to take a view along your collection (part). Havent had the time to make new ones of mi-own. Lots of Phil.items! Can I/we have a look at the domeshaped hat (first pic, glas display, topshelf, next2 brass helmet)? I might have a pic of a woman wearing it.
Your kalinga axe seemed to be puzzled with a bit; never thought of restoring it? (underneath the kalinga axe right one is a Apayao axe; knew that?)

Like your big wooden containers (Kankanai)! n more . . . .

. Very nice collection! The big wooden 'skullhead' in light color might be a bit out of place there I think as actually it is an 'object' used in Mexico -I believe- where they stick many layers of glued paper on it, to dry> getting hard carton and to cut it off this: hence the cutline accross the middle. The carton figures are painted n used in festival. And d wood 'mall' is used to make yet another.

Til soon

.

Sajen · 23rd May 2012, 08:40 PM

Since here are shown some blanket I want to ask Wouter about my one. I think it is a Kalinga piece and want to know more about it. It is 117 x66 cm and worn, so i think it is authentic.

Regards,

Detlef

Rick · 2nd June 2012, 02:34 AM

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Originally Posted by apolaki

Greetings Joe,

Your collection of Igorot cultural items is very impressive. I was wondering if you would be able to identify one of my pieces. From what I understand and was told, it is a blanket from Kiangan. It is made by the Ikat dye technique. It has several designs on it [H] /\ \/ and a house on stilts. Could you share any impressions or information you may know? I would greatly appreciate it!

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?...type=3&theater

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?...type=3&theater

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Would you please upload the pictures to the site ?

Not all of us wish to belong to 'facebook' .

Thanks

22nd May 2012, 09:51 AM	#1
Indianajones Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 180	Hi Colin, Joe (n the rest ), thanks! And this is not even all and some pics of early last year. Will soon take new pics. Takes a few years to gather . . . . Colin; the mother of pearlpieces-necklace is (in the Ifugao tribe section) called 'pangalapang' and when you pick up the piece and the shellsections gently hit eachother you know why its called that! Worn by more wealthy women. Quite some fakes around and often the cord is renewed/replaced. <incl. a pic of 2 women wearing> Joe; actually the wood helmet with a face is extremely rare, even more rare than ordinary 'oklop' helmets which are more authenticaly worn. See 1 of the 2 helmets (beautifull!) I got on the pic with the Bulul statues. This -att.pic- helmet sold for a fat $6000,- thank you! Will post a new pic of my helmets soon and you will see the difference in patine. For more reference; see www.rmv.nl for lots of Philippine material; search for 'igorot' or 'luzon'. Best, Wouter Attached Images

23rd May 2012, 07:07 AM	#2
apolaki Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 160	Identifying Igorot blanket Greetings Joe, Your collection of Igorot cultural items is very impressive. I was wondering if you would be able to identify one of my pieces. From what I understand and was told, it is a blanket from Kiangan. It is made by the Ikat dye technique. It has several designs on it [H] /\ \/ and a house on stilts. Could you share any impressions or information you may know? I would greatly appreciate it! https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?...type=3&theater https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?...type=3&theater https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?...type=3&theater https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?...type=3&theater

23rd May 2012, 02:33 PM	#3
Clubs & Arrows Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: San Gabriel Foothills, Southern California Posts: 94	Hi Apolaki, I'm afraid that my knowledge about Philippine textiles is very limited. Wouter is probably who you need to speak to, since he has them in the pics of his collection. My collection is primarily wood carved figural tools, weapons, Bululs, and hats. Best regards, Joe Attached Images

23rd May 2012, 03:49 PM	#4
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	IMPRESSIVE COLLECTIONS AND DISPLAYS. ITS GOOD TO SEE OTHERS LIVE IN A MUSEUM TOO I THINK I HAVE SEEN ONE OF THE SHIELDS LIKE THE ONE STARTING THE POST IN THE MISSOURI HISTORY MUSEUM IN ST LOUIS MISSOURI. IT WAS MADE FOR THE PHILIPPINE EXHIBIT AT THE WORLDS FAIR/ LOUSIANA PURCHASE EXPOSITION IN 1904. THERE WAS A LOT OF INTREST IN THE PHILIPPINES AT THE TIME DUE TO IT BEING A NEW TERRITORY AND THE WAR FOUGHT THERE. THERE WAS SAID TO BE A LARGE EXHIBIT OF PHILIPPINE WEAPONS CAPTURED DURING THE SPANISH AMERICAN AND FOLLOWING WAR IN THE PHILIPPINES. I HAVE SOME ITEMS SAID TO COME FROM THIS EXHIBIT. THE EXHIBIT WAS FROM THE GENERAL HARRY H. BANDHOLTZ COLLECTION OF WEAPONS TAKEN DURING HIS STAY IN THE PHILIPPINES. I HAVE TRIED TO FIND PICTURES OF THIS DISPLAY BUT HAVE FAILED. PERHAPS A MEMBER FROM ST. LOUIS CAN FIND OUT MORE. THE BEST I CAN DO IS THIS PICTURE OF THE SAMAL MORO ,VILLAGE EXHIBIT 1904 Attached Images Last edited by VANDOO; 23rd May 2012 at 05:45 PM.

23rd May 2012, 08:40 PM	#7
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,207	Since here are shown some blanket I want to ask Wouter about my one. I think it is a Kalinga piece and want to know more about it. It is 117 x66 cm and worn, so i think it is authentic. Regards, Detlef Attached Images

23rd May 2012, 07:00 PM	#6
Indianajones Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 180	Hello all, Apolaki; yes your blanket is indeed a Ifugao/ibaloi one, though am afraid I havent got good news for you concerning its age n authenticity.Firstly the blanket has a black, chemical dye and authentic ones have indigo blue. But can still be quite nice, decorative and can be used. Joe; thanks also for allowing us to take a view along your collection (part). Havent had the time to make new ones of mi-own. Lots of Phil.items! Can I/we have a look at the domeshaped hat (first pic, glas display, topshelf, next2 brass helmet)? I might have a pic of a woman wearing it. Your kalinga axe seemed to be puzzled with a bit; never thought of restoring it? (underneath the kalinga axe right one is a Apayao axe; knew that?) Like your big wooden containers (Kankanai)! n more . . . . . Very nice collection! The big wooden 'skullhead' in light color might be a bit out of place there I think as actually it is an 'object' used in Mexico -I believe- where they stick many layers of glued paper on it, to dry> getting hard carton and to cut it off this: hence the cutline accross the middle. The carton figures are painted n used in festival. And d wood 'mall' is used to make yet another. Til soon .