ACEH COJANG FOR TRANSLATION ,MALAY/ARABIC INSCRIPTION / STRANGE DATE

[Dom]

Originally Posted by asomotif

out, is the date, but this does note make sense to me. It looks like 2141 ?
Can the forumites help me to make sense of this ?

in less than 5 post ... no more mystery
... we are a blo*dy fu*cking translators gang ... here
- Turkish Ottoman
- Arabic
- Farsi
- Jawi
- Tagalog
may be I forgot some other languages, nothing have a "mercy" with us
we are terrific at "Ethnografic Arms & Armor"

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Dom

[Sajen]

Hello Willem,

congrats, never seen a cojang with such a nice carved handle!

Regards,

Detlef

[kronckew]

1412 in the persian calendar would be 2033 a.d. suspect that might be wrong

1412 in the arabic hijri is 1991 a.d. a bit more reasonable.

the last char. looks more like a 6 to me tho.

1416 = 1995

the '4' appears to be backwards... not unusual with dyslexic not very well edumacated non-arabs using the script in their own language.

p.s. while arabic is written right to left, numbers are always left to right like ours. we of course adopted the numerals & place system from the arabs. (though not the calendar)

for future reference:

[Dom]

Good day
after have reviewed the subject with my translator, here below our suggestions

in Arabic the word
SANA either DATE

the end of a sentence, wrote apparently in Jawi, see the post of our friend "Jentayu"
for what we haven't a translation to offer, we read only because in Arabic;
RABÎ'A AL AWAL (ربيع الأول in Arabic) either 3RD MONTH OF ISLAMIC CALENDAR

now, the more delicate ... I must apologize, I've completely off the rails
... the digits mentioned on the hilt ... we guess that we have to have to read 1317 (European digits)
but, PLEASE don't ask for me, which is the calendar involved ??

too many calendars are in used in Malaysia or around, here a link very intructive
http://halah-mbuh.blogspot.fr/2011/0...-calendar.html

sorry again, to have took my dreams for a reality

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Dom

[asomotif]

Thank you very much Dom.
You are a great help to me (and others)

Indeed your sugestion that the date is in european digits is probably the best explanation.
1317 would than equal the year 1899 in western calender.
This also seems more logical with the style and age of the piece.

I hope that Mohd can join in and help with the inscription too.
He was also of great help on another translation case I had last year :
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...hlight=rencong

Best regards,
Willem

[asomotif]

Pfewww... finally picked up the piece at the postoffice today.

The real thing is better that the pictures from the seller.
Lovely laminated blade. and an bonus inscription on the hilt that looks text-book arabic to me.

Also the other text is now probably better to read.
I hope that Jentayu and/or Mohd can take an additional look.

Best regards,.
Willem

[Dom]

Hi Willem
looks like ...but apparently ... no
anyway, in phonetics, the sounds give;
- AM KHOUR KHOU KOU CHING
but please don't ask for what that mean ... in Arabic

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Dom

[mohd]

Hi Willem,

So sorry for the late reply because I just opened my mailbox and read your email this morning

Congrats for acquiring the beautiful Klewang (i.e. or Parang Lading Jantan) Aceh.

Those inscriptions are Malay words written in Jawi.



ﻻفــن = lapan = eight
هــاري = hari = day
بــولــن = bulan = month
ربــيــع ال = rabi' ula = most probably is "Rabiul Ula" or "Rabiul Awal" which is the 3rd month of the Hijriyah Calender.
ســنــة = sanah = year (i.e. Arabic)
1317 = 1317 Hijriyah = Hijriyah year 1317 (i.e. 1899)

ﻻفــن هــاري بــولــن ربــيــع ال ســنــة 1317 = lapan hari bulan rabi' ula sanah 1317 = The eight day of the month of Rabiul Ula in the Hijriyah year of 1317 = ~ Monday 17th July 1899



امـفــوث = ampunya = owned
حــق = hak = righteously
تــوﺀ شــيــخ = tok sheikh = a nickname which means The Old Pious

امـفــوث حــق تــوﺀ شــيــخ = ampunya hak tok sheikh = Righteously owned by Tok Sheikh

Hope this help

mohd