Old tenegre

[VVV]

Thanks for the link, now I am confused?
If Ron, Nacho or someone else from the Visayas please could explain the difference between the two terms?

Michael

[Sajen]

Agree, a clarification of the terms would be great!

[Indianajones]

Hi there, has anyone else wondered what the material is of those thin bands around the lower end of the scabbard?!? Horn, turtleshell, else?
Greets
Bt.w. Sajen just keep on looking, there surely will be another one on e. . y.

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by Indianajones

Hi there, has anyone else wondered what the material is of those thin bands around the lower end of the scabbard?!? Horn, turtleshell, else?
Greets
Bt.w. Sajen just keep on looking, there surely will be another one on e. . y.

Hi Wouter,

for the bands around the scabbard have a look here: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...light=binangon
By this feature and some other points like the "pressed" head of the Bakunawa and the iron ferrule I have point it down by the estimated age.

Sure that there will be one day another one but unsure if I can get it by a price like this. Old ones like this are rare. But I am happy that it will join in such a great collection, no big sadness!

Regards,

Detlef

[Dimasalang]

Very nice piece!

Originally Posted by Indianajones

Hi there, has anyone else wondered what the material is of those thin bands around the lower end of the scabbard?!? Horn, turtleshell, else?

I've looked back through this forum on the topic of those thin shaved pieces. For awhile many believed they were shaved tortoise shell. But now the consensus is they are shaved carabao horn...which is now a lost art. You will not find anyone in the Philippines who has this skill or craft.
I also have an image of a salakot with reference to it being made of shaved carabao horn. It is translucent as well and looks exactly like this.

[nacho]

Binangon is a generic term for any sword (as used in the Iloilo dialect). But people here (Philippines) generally use the term binangon to refer to any Ilonggo sword.

Thus, the "tenegre" can also be called a "binangon".

However, "tenegres" are a special type of "binangon" -- one that has the characteristic monster face.

BTW, it is a very nice piece!

[Indianajones]

Thank you for clearing that up Sajen. Am always amazed of the ingenuity of tribal groups; am sure it would be a hell of a job to make thin slizes of horn!!! Although they might cook the horn first to make it more soft, still

Yes now you mention it Dimasalang, I know those salakots which you mean, with often silver (embossed) tops and rims; see pic. Indeed a similarity I hadnt thought of before.

And Sajen; wel I keep on getting amazed (and feeling stupid I didnt dare a shot) as I have seen sold a beautifull OLD kapkap -Solomons isld shell addornment- with shellstring sold for . . . . . . . .$172.00 this week!! Aarghhh
When I spot a nice one will notice you (as I'm not buying them).

[Spunjer]

Originally Posted by nacho

Binangon is a generic term for any sword (as used in the Iloilo dialect). But people here (Philippines) generally use the term binangon to refer to any Ilonggo sword.

Thus, the "tenegre" can also be called a "binangon".

However, "tenegres" are a special type of "binangon" -- one that has the characteristic monster face.

BTW, it is a very nice piece!

well explained!!! hopefully this should stop the blade-profile-differentiating-binangon-vs.-tenegre camp...

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by Spunjer

well explained!!! hopefully this should stop the blade-profile-differentiating-binangon-vs.-tenegre camp...

Yup!

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by nacho

Binangon is a generic term for any sword (as used in the Iloilo dialect). But people here (Philippines) generally use the term binangon to refer to any Ilonggo sword.

Thus, the "tenegre" can also be called a "binangon".

However, "tenegres" are a special type of "binangon" -- one that has the characteristic monster face.

Thank you very much!

Regards,

Detlef

[VVV]

Thanks Nacho.

Do you know the etymological background for those two sword terms?
Has, for instance, tenegre anything to do with Negros (just a wild guess)?

Michael