Maghrebi Moroccan Nimcha??

Atlantia · 25th April 2012, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by archer

I edited my last post yes that is the edge. The file feels like the edge is harder than the back, later I'll try a real jewelers file. Stu, I bought it thinking the pattern was an etch job and thinking the hilt was a probable replacement.

When I started looking closer I noticed the edges bluntness and hearing so much about Arabian dance swords. I had to ask I'll ask again and post a few shots after a bit of etching. Did some Pasha want to make sure His dancing
girls didn't get too wild?

The results of the etch after degreasing only for a prep!!! Just looked under the lower quillion it is sharper there than the rest of the blade. Who's smiling then?

Steve,

The fact that there is a flex in the blade and the edge feels harder than the spine is certainly a good turn of events.
If it was mine and I was keeping it I'd sharpen it.
I'd want to see the pattern disappearing into just layers near the edge and I'd try to not 'explore' to deeply into the birdseye patterned areas when finishing the edgefor fear of 'rubbing them through' and finding layered steel underneath.
So, I'd confine the regrinding to about 1cm from the cutting edge and then repolish the whole blade to a uniform smothness and then try a gentle scratch with a few different etchants and see which is giving a nice contrast without biting to deeply.

ATB
Gene

ariel · 26th April 2012, 05:59 PM

I'd like to second Rick's concern that the "boys from Rajastan" are branching out and are getting better and better. On top, their asking prices go up indicating their successful experiences with earlier offerings. We used to worry about Chinese fakers, but they apparently do not hold the candle to their Indian ilk.
Life is getting tougher and tougher.....
I just held in my hands a blade by the Russian master Ivan Kirpichev: beautiful, complex Khorasan/Taban, identical in all characteristics to the best Safavid examples. He is perfectly honest and very proud of his achievements: marks the blades with his name. No worry about him.
But if he could do it, the "dirty dozen" will not be very far behind. We have to prepare ourselves for a flood of Assadullah's blades indistinguishable from the best Fiegel's items.

archer · 27th April 2012, 07:44 PM

After considerable time using a diamond lap stone on the edge only it now has a curved (rounded) 2 /32 inch bevel that is just at the point of cutting paper easily. I stopped there to avoid future edge blunting by someone with safety concerns. Given you'd rework the blunted edge. Would you go further to blend in the original shape?

After the re-etch there was a fairly defined laddered Kirk effect on one side. the odd side was a little less defined. I marked one of the more noticeable" forced?" patterns the others are not noticeable. Evidently the maker must have meant for the blade to be stained, does that help clarify anything? As Dom said earlier at least this may be used as an example. Steve

Cerjak · 7th May 2012, 12:57 PM

Here a typical one with European blade
Regards

Cerjak

Rick · 7th May 2012, 03:54 PM

I'm sorry, but I just can't see any deliberate attempts at the formation of a 'kirk' pattern on this blade .

archer · 8th May 2012, 12:04 AM

Hi, Rick, Your right about the forced patterns. It shows those three spaced patches and once again between the quillions and nearer the blade tip. The central ones are about where the blade arcs. So its likely they are naturally occurring from forging. Thank you all for your information and excellent Nimcha examples. Steve

27th April 2012, 07:44 PM	#3
archer Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 373	more Questions After considerable time using a diamond lap stone on the edge only it now has a curved (rounded) 2 /32 inch bevel that is just at the point of cutting paper easily. I stopped there to avoid future edge blunting by someone with safety concerns. Given you'd rework the blunted edge. Would you go further to blend in the original shape? After the re-etch there was a fairly defined laddered Kirk effect on one side. the odd side was a little less defined. I marked one of the more noticeable" forced?" patterns the others are not noticeable. Evidently the maker must have meant for the blade to be stained, does that help clarify anything? As Dom said earlier at least this may be used as an example. Steve Attached Images

7th May 2012, 12:57 PM	#4
Cerjak Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: FRANCE Posts: 1,065	Nincha Here a typical one with European blade Regards Cerjak Attached Images

8th May 2012, 12:04 AM	#6
archer Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 373	Pattern Hi, Rick, Your right about the forced patterns. It shows those three spaced patches and once again between the quillions and nearer the blade tip. The central ones are about where the blade arcs. So its likely they are naturally occurring from forging. Thank you all for your information and excellent Nimcha examples. Steve Last edited by archer; 8th May 2012 at 01:36 AM. Reason: more comments

26th April 2012, 05:59 PM	#2
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	I'd like to second Rick's concern that the "boys from Rajastan" are branching out and are getting better and better. On top, their asking prices go up indicating their successful experiences with earlier offerings. We used to worry about Chinese fakers, but they apparently do not hold the candle to their Indian ilk. Life is getting tougher and tougher..... I just held in my hands a blade by the Russian master Ivan Kirpichev: beautiful, complex Khorasan/Taban, identical in all characteristics to the best Safavid examples. He is perfectly honest and very proud of his achievements: marks the blades with his name. No worry about him. But if he could do it, the "dirty dozen" will not be very far behind. We have to prepare ourselves for a flood of Assadullah's blades indistinguishable from the best Fiegel's items.

7th May 2012, 03:54 PM	#5
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	I'm sorry, but I just can't see any deliberate attempts at the formation of a 'kirk' pattern on this blade .