Medieval European Daggers and short Swords

[Dmitry]

Originally Posted by Swordfish

Ear Dagger, Italy, first quarter 16th century

What is the location for this dagger, if known? Any additional info? Thanks.

[Swordfish]

Originally Posted by Dmitry

What is the location for this dagger, if known? Any additional info? Thanks.

It was sold at auction in Italy last year, its present whereabouts is unknown to me.

[Swordfish]

Both of type 1f with short and strong blades, very broad at the hilt, strongly tapering to the tips and with short fullers in their upper thirds.
The first has a guard without elevated and reinforced tips, the pommel cap and the guard are only slightly arched towards the blade. The blade is of flattened diamond section. The grip is made of bright burl-wood. This dagger is a very early one, dating to the second half of the 13th century or early 14th century.

The second dagger has a roof-shaped blade, the front side with a midrib and a copper inlaid mark. The back side is quite flat. The pommel-cap and the guard are strongly curved towards the blade. The guard has elevated and reinforced tips of the usual form. The tang is riveted over the pommel-cap with a tall tang button. It dates to the 14th century.

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[cornelistromp]

Originally Posted by Swordfish

Both of type 1f with short and strong blades, very broad at the hilt, strongly tapering to the tips and with short fullers in their upper thirds.
The first has a guard without elevated and reinforced tips, the pommel cap and the guard are only slightly arched towards the blade. The blade is of flattened diamond section. The grip is made of bright burl-wood. This dagger is a very early one, dating to the second half of the 13th century or early 14th century.

The second dagger has a roof-shaped blade, the front side with a midrib and a copper inlaid mark. The back side is quite flat. The pommel-cap and the guard are strongly curved towards the blade. The guard has elevated and reinforced tips of the usual form. The tang is riveted over the pommel-cap with a tall tang button. It dates to the 14th century.

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Beautiful swiss-daggers, thanks
the four-leaf clover beaten in a square of latten in Dagger 2, is very unusual for a blade mark! Do you think it is a later addition ?

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Jasper

[Swordfish]

The shape of the mark is similar to the mark on No. 382 on the scan from Hugo Schneider's book, but rotated 45 degrees. It is brobably inlaid in copper to highlighten it,this is rarely seen but not unusual. I know other medieval items, also South German or Swiss with marks inlaid in latten. One such item I will show later in a chapter about short swords.
It is clearly a cutler's mark and I have no indication that it was added later.

Please note that the book scans are from the chapter 'Dolche und Dolchmesser des Hochmittelalters', not from the chapter 'Schweizerdolche':

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[cornelistromp]

Originally Posted by Swordfish

The shape of the mark is similar to the mark on No. 382 on the scan from Hugo Schneider's book, but rotated 45 degrees. It is brobably inlaid in copper to highlighten it,this is rarely seen but not unusual. I know other medieval items, also South German or Swiss with marks inlaid in latten. One such item I will show later in a chapter about short swords.
It is clearly a cutler's mark and I have no indication that it was added later.

Please note that the book scans are from the chapter 'Dolche und Dolchmesser des Hochmittelalters', not from the chapter 'Schweizerdolche':

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are those marks also struck in softer metal , latten/ copper similar to dagger no2 ?
or struck in the iron (blade) similar to no 382 and the mark is afterwards filled with latten/copper?

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[Swordfish]

Sorry, I have used a wrong description.
The marks I know are not inlaid in copper or latten, but struck in the copper/latten, which was before inlaid in the metal of the blade according to dagger No.2

Attached an other mark struck in latten on a Swiss short sword late 15th century.

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