Bali keris pamor

David · 20th April 2012, 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greybeard

Yes, Jean, I agree: The pamor looks very superficial -- almost like painted on ...

Frankly, i have seen at least as couple of Bali keris that people have painted "pamor" patterns onto that were that were actually half way decent keris, not the tourist crap where you'd expect that, probably because that thought they could sell it for more that way. So there is precedent for that. I also thought that the pattern here looked a bit superficial at first, but the photos alone just don't give me enough information to form a strong opinion either way.
And Jean, my use of "accidental" was to mean "unplanned", not "unwanted".

Jean · 20th April 2012, 06:46 PM

David, I agree with you, although the picture is clear it is not possible to determine if the pamor motif is genuine or fake (applied or etched with acid) but if the case, it is more smartly made than usually. It also seems odd to do it on one side of the blade only but who knows?
Regards

henri · 20th April 2012, 09:51 PM

Thank you guys for your comments .
From " fake " to " painted " or etch applied " .... when I take this keris on hand and look at this pamor very very closely I can assure the pamor is real but yes the nickel is not dep into the blade ( photos below ) . This keris was part of a lot of 10 I bought sometimes ago to a collector in the UK who passed away and pretty sure he has not bought this one in a tourist shop during a visit in Bali ! But .... never never know !
Henri

Jean · 21st April 2012, 08:55 AM

I hope that Alan will give us a clue when he returns from Europe.
Regards

Jean · 28th April 2012, 03:22 PM

I returned home and checked 2 items:
1. According to the EK, pamor tangkis would be the correct description for this blade (one side with pamor, one side without pamor or kelengan). The correct name in case of 2 different pamors on each side is pamor slewah.
2. I could not find a similar pamor motif in my reference books but they refer to Javanese blades only.
Regards

henri · 28th April 2012, 09:05 PM

Thank you Jean . After consulting some documentations I agree we could called this one "tangkis" . I have got in the past a similar pamor on a Bali keris but both sides of the blade . I am still surprised by the very thin layer of nickel for this pamor . Not painted ! Not an easy job for the swordsmith to shape and keep the pamor ...
Henri

A. G. Maisey · 30th July 2012, 12:06 AM

A bit late with this post. Sorry, just noticed the thread.

According to my understanding this is not pamor tangkis.

Pamor tangkis is a different pamor on each blade face.

This keris has a small seemingly accidental patch of pamor on one blade face only, the other blade face has no pamor.

This cannot be classified as pamor tangkis.

20th April 2012, 09:51 PM	#3
henri Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Australia Posts: 81	Thank you guys for your comments . From " fake " to " painted " or etch applied " .... when I take this keris on hand and look at this pamor very very closely I can assure the pamor is real but yes the nickel is not dep into the blade ( photos below ) . This keris was part of a lot of 10 I bought sometimes ago to a collector in the UK who passed away and pretty sure he has not bought this one in a tourist shop during a visit in Bali ! But .... never never know ! Henri Attached Images

20th April 2012, 06:46 PM	#2
Jean Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,740	David, I agree with you, although the picture is clear it is not possible to determine if the pamor motif is genuine or fake (applied or etched with acid) but if the case, it is more smartly made than usually. It also seems odd to do it on one side of the blade only but who knows? Regards

21st April 2012, 08:55 AM	#4
Jean Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,740	I hope that Alan will give us a clue when he returns from Europe. Regards

28th April 2012, 03:22 PM	#5
Jean Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,740	I returned home and checked 2 items: 1. According to the EK, pamor tangkis would be the correct description for this blade (one side with pamor, one side without pamor or kelengan). The correct name in case of 2 different pamors on each side is pamor slewah. 2. I could not find a similar pamor motif in my reference books but they refer to Javanese blades only. Regards

28th April 2012, 09:05 PM	#6
henri Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Australia Posts: 81	Thank you Jean . After consulting some documentations I agree we could called this one "tangkis" . I have got in the past a similar pamor on a Bali keris but both sides of the blade . I am still surprised by the very thin layer of nickel for this pamor . Not painted ! Not an easy job for the swordsmith to shape and keep the pamor ... Henri

30th July 2012, 12:06 AM	#7
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,015	A bit late with this post. Sorry, just noticed the thread. According to my understanding this is not pamor tangkis. Pamor tangkis is a different pamor on each blade face. This keris has a small seemingly accidental patch of pamor on one blade face only, the other blade face has no pamor. This cannot be classified as pamor tangkis.