Not a kukri...

Lew · 26th February 2012, 06:39 PM

Looks like a reforged European chefs knife probably by a local blacksmith from India or the surrounding area?

Atlantia · 26th February 2012, 07:10 PM

Hi Stan,

I think you were on the right track with thinking 'almost' a Kukri.
I think it's possibly of the 'Chin Knife' family. Have a look at these:

http://www.swordforum.com/forums/sho...-Kukri-Wannabe

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/sh...Battle-Khukuri

Jonathan (Spiral) has more knowledge on these than I, perhaps he will know for sure.

Best
Gene

P.S. Failing that it has similarities with the Thai knives.

Stan S. · 26th February 2012, 09:09 PM

A chin knife? Well, it's a possibility and at least we are getting somewhere. Personally, I am inclined to believe that this is a small ram dao for sacrificing paultry, lambs, etc. I will clean clean it up in the next few weeks which will hopefully bring out the "eye" some more. So far my camera had failed to capture it with any clarity. Lets get some other opinions

spiral · 26th February 2012, 10:44 PM

Nice example Stan!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atlantia

Jonathan (Spiral) has more knowledge on these than I, perhaps he will know for sure.
Best
Gene

Cheers Gene for your confidence, Luckily I know the answear although not truly my field!

so chaps heres what there not...

Thats not Thai. Not Hindu not Buddhist thats not a swastika there not Nepali there not Indian.

There Roman Cathlic from the Pacific ocean.

Its a Chamorro knife from Guam.

N2S an American kukri collector & forumite on IKRHS & Bladeforums has a few of them.

Heres some of his from his website. {sorry mods its a hotlink, havent got rights to steal & post here.} {Hes a great chap though I am sure he wont mind.}

Looks a good one to me....There many subtelties in varients though.

spiral

Atlantia · 26th February 2012, 11:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spiral

Nice example Stan!

Cheers Gene for your confidence, Luckily I know the answear although not truly my field!

so chaps heres what there not...

Thats not Thai. Not Hindu not Buddhist thats not a swastika there not Nepali there not Indian.

There Roman Cathlic from the Pacific ocean.

Its a Chamorro knife from Guam.

N2S an American kukri collector & forumite on IKRHS & Bladeforums has a few of them.

Heres some of his from his website. {sorry mods its a hotlink, havent got rights to steal & post here.} {Hes a great chap though I am sure he wont mind.}

Looks a good old one to me....There many subtelties in varients though.

spiral

LOL, how weird! I was completely wrong but you were still the right man for the ID!
I knew you'd have a photographic memory of anything even remotely Kukri-esq!
Good catch mate.
Best
Gene

spiral · 27th February 2012, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Atlantia

LOL, how weird! I was completely wrong but you were still the right man for the ID!
I knew you'd have a photographic memory of anything even remotely Kukri-esq!
Good catch mate.
Best
Gene

Well the obsession with them has certanly taken many diverse avenues & studies over the years!

Cheers Man,

Spiral

Stan S. · 28th February 2012, 02:08 AM

Spiral, please forgive my ignorance but other than the downcurved blade and a wooden grip held in place by 3 rivets, I fail to see the resemblance between my “thing” and these Guam knives. To me chamoro is basically a large bowie with a drooping blade. My choper is clearly leaf shaped and looks almost like a dowcurved barong or something. Plus, what leads you to believe that decorations on the blade are not swastikas and how do you explain a little hook-like protrusion on the ricasso? I am not trying to start an argument here as you are clearly an expert on this stuff. I am just trying to understand... Do you have any pictures of decorations attributed to Guam culture? I tried google but didn’t find much

spiral · 28th February 2012, 09:09 AM

Perhaps I didnt use the best photo to illustrate Stan, Here some more of them from a shop in Guam {Also courtesy of N2S.} {_about 5 years ago.}

I am not an expert in these, I am a student of kukris but through them I have come across such things. I dont think your ignorant, a few yesrs ago Idve wondered what it was as well.

These pictures display the many types available showing various matching features I think? The down curved blade, the protrusian at the riccaso, the plainer, triple riveted hilt.

Over the years have seen others more like yours also id. as Chammoro knives. Sadley I didnt keep the pix.

Personaly I think the style of riccaso is a very strong id feature with these. But the whole gestalt fits to my eye.

Sadley I have no knowledge of the original decorative features of the Chammoro people. I would imagine your knife could tell us something about them though.

Its a nice piece.

spiral

26th February 2012, 07:10 PM	#2
Atlantia Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Sharp end Posts: 2,928	Hi Stan, I think you were on the right track with thinking 'almost' a Kukri. I think it's possibly of the 'Chin Knife' family. Have a look at these: http://www.swordforum.com/forums/sho...-Kukri-Wannabe http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/sh...Battle-Khukuri Jonathan (Spiral) has more knowledge on these than I, perhaps he will know for sure. Best Gene P.S. Failing that it has similarities with the Thai knives. Attached Images

28th February 2012, 02:08 AM	#7
Stan S. Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Brooklyn, NY USA Posts: 227	Spiral, please forgive my ignorance but other than the downcurved blade and a wooden grip held in place by 3 rivets, I fail to see the resemblance between my “thing” and these Guam knives. To me chamoro is basically a large bowie with a drooping blade. My choper is clearly leaf shaped and looks almost like a dowcurved barong or something. Plus, what leads you to believe that decorations on the blade are not swastikas and how do you explain a little hook-like protrusion on the ricasso? I am not trying to start an argument here as you are clearly an expert on this stuff. I am just trying to understand... Do you have any pictures of decorations attributed to Guam culture? I tried google but didn’t find much Last edited by Stan S.; 28th February 2012 at 02:28 AM.

26th February 2012, 06:39 PM	#1
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	Looks like a reforged European chefs knife probably by a local blacksmith from India or the surrounding area?

26th February 2012, 09:09 PM	#3
Stan S. Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Brooklyn, NY USA Posts: 227	A chin knife? Well, it's a possibility and at least we are getting somewhere. Personally, I am inclined to believe that this is a small ram dao for sacrificing paultry, lambs, etc. I will clean clean it up in the next few weeks which will hopefully bring out the "eye" some more. So far my camera had failed to capture it with any clarity. Lets get some other opinions

28th February 2012, 09:09 AM	#8
spiral Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,712	Perhaps I didnt use the best photo to illustrate Stan, Here some more of them from a shop in Guam {Also courtesy of N2S.} {_about 5 years ago.} I am not an expert in these, I am a student of kukris but through them I have come across such things. I dont think your ignorant, a few yesrs ago Idve wondered what it was as well. These pictures display the many types available showing various matching features I think? The down curved blade, the protrusian at the riccaso, the plainer, triple riveted hilt. Over the years have seen others more like yours also id. as Chammoro knives. Sadley I didnt keep the pix. Personaly I think the style of riccaso is a very strong id feature with these. But the whole gestalt fits to my eye. Sadley I have no knowledge of the original decorative features of the Chammoro people. I would imagine your knife could tell us something about them though. Its a nice piece. spiral