Sepang Buda

Karttikeya · 26th February 2012, 12:08 PM

Here I uploaded another photo of the blade. I need your opinion to know whether this dagger truly is an archaic weapon or not. I realized that this photo seems cannot deliver informative element on iron or something else however at least I will get something new knowledge from your sharing experiences.

Thanks Gio for your information, I just checked the paper written by Pak Alan "ORIGIN OF THE KERIS AND ITS DEVELOPMENT TO THE 14TH CENTURY", according to the shape, this dagger may recall us physical characteristics of the weapon which held by monkey warrior but leaking a distinct central ridge.

A. G. Maisey · 26th February 2012, 09:56 PM

Does this blade have a core, or is the metal the same all the way through, IE, no pamor layer?

Karttikeya · 27th February 2012, 03:21 AM

This blade does not have core or slorok. Yes, the metal is the same all the way through and no pamor layer.

A. G. Maisey · 27th February 2012, 04:42 AM

Thanks.

My gut feeling is that this is something that has been re manufactured from a big, old tombak or something similar.

But that is feeling, based on experience, rather than what I can see in the pics.

In the pics it looks pretty OK, but perhaps a bit too neat. I've got maybe 10 or a dozen archaic keris and other pieces, and none are as neat as this one.

It might be genuine, but I'd probably need it with for at least a week to give any answer I was relatively certain of.

Karttikeya · 27th February 2012, 06:18 AM

Thanks Pak Alan for your explanation. Yes, the blade is quite neat. It does not look like mostly keris buda, mainly from excavation. Recently, I saved other photos, probably it will give you more informative image. I cannot examine whether its iron is genuine old or not or the blade is remanufactured from old one. Could you please tell me how to distinguish between original shape or material with remanufactured or new iron? It is possible if old blade has neatly shaped?

A. G. Maisey · 27th February 2012, 06:49 AM

Sorry Karttikeya, its not that easy. There's no magic formula that you can apply to a piece and then be able say real or fake. Doesn't work that way. I can't tell much at all from even the very best photos in this sort of case. I'd need the piece with me a week or so, I'd look at it stripped of hilt, I'd look at it in sunshine, shadow, play with when I was watching TV. Totally familiarise myself with it. Handle it a lot. Use a loupe.Maybe after a time doing this my experience would kick in and I'd notice something, or feel something, maybe not. One thing is certain:- the very best gaurantee of anything doubtful is its provenance. If you know for sure it was dug up by a farmer in a rice field, odds are its probably genuine, no matter what it looks like. If you have any reason at all to doubt the seller, its probably not the real thing.

Karttikeya · 29th February 2012, 10:35 AM

Thanks Pak Alan, I realize that this is not the thing that simply say real or fake by looking at even very best photo without handling it, but i just wanna know your reason by saying remanufactured blade. I wanna know how to see the blade has been remanufactured or probably other factors are considered so that you have feeling fake on this blade. Thank you.

26th February 2012, 12:08 PM	#1
Karttikeya Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 54	Here I uploaded another photo of the blade. I need your opinion to know whether this dagger truly is an archaic weapon or not. I realized that this photo seems cannot deliver informative element on iron or something else however at least I will get something new knowledge from your sharing experiences. Thanks Gio for your information, I just checked the paper written by Pak Alan "ORIGIN OF THE KERIS AND ITS DEVELOPMENT TO THE 14TH CENTURY", according to the shape, this dagger may recall us physical characteristics of the weapon which held by monkey warrior but leaking a distinct central ridge. Attached Images

27th February 2012, 06:18 AM	#5
Karttikeya Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 54	Thanks Pak Alan for your explanation. Yes, the blade is quite neat. It does not look like mostly keris buda, mainly from excavation. Recently, I saved other photos, probably it will give you more informative image. I cannot examine whether its iron is genuine old or not or the blade is remanufactured from old one. Could you please tell me how to distinguish between original shape or material with remanufactured or new iron? It is possible if old blade has neatly shaped? Attached Images

26th February 2012, 09:56 PM	#2
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,015	Does this blade have a core, or is the metal the same all the way through, IE, no pamor layer?

27th February 2012, 03:21 AM	#3
Karttikeya Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 54	This blade does not have core or slorok. Yes, the metal is the same all the way through and no pamor layer.

27th February 2012, 04:42 AM	#4
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,015	Thanks. My gut feeling is that this is something that has been re manufactured from a big, old tombak or something similar. But that is feeling, based on experience, rather than what I can see in the pics. In the pics it looks pretty OK, but perhaps a bit too neat. I've got maybe 10 or a dozen archaic keris and other pieces, and none are as neat as this one. It might be genuine, but I'd probably need it with for at least a week to give any answer I was relatively certain of.

27th February 2012, 06:49 AM	#6
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,015	Sorry Karttikeya, its not that easy. There's no magic formula that you can apply to a piece and then be able say real or fake. Doesn't work that way. I can't tell much at all from even the very best photos in this sort of case. I'd need the piece with me a week or so, I'd look at it stripped of hilt, I'd look at it in sunshine, shadow, play with when I was watching TV. Totally familiarise myself with it. Handle it a lot. Use a loupe.Maybe after a time doing this my experience would kick in and I'd notice something, or feel something, maybe not. One thing is certain:- the very best gaurantee of anything doubtful is its provenance. If you know for sure it was dug up by a farmer in a rice field, odds are its probably genuine, no matter what it looks like. If you have any reason at all to doubt the seller, its probably not the real thing.

29th February 2012, 10:35 AM	#7
Karttikeya Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 54	Thanks Pak Alan, I realize that this is not the thing that simply say real or fake by looking at even very best photo without handling it, but i just wanna know your reason by saying remanufactured blade. I wanna know how to see the blade has been remanufactured or probably other factors are considered so that you have feeling fake on this blade. Thank you.