Armenian(?) dagger

erlikhan · 21st August 2005, 01:50 PM

thank you. and what about the shape and decoration? suits a known style and period?

ariel · 21st August 2005, 03:11 PM

The handle reminds me Turkish regulation military daggers. I have a pic, but the house is being worked on and I can find diddly squat....

Ian · 21st August 2005, 04:24 PM

Perhaps this is a little clearer. Best I could manage with Photoshop.

Ian.

erlikhan · 21st August 2005, 06:00 PM

Thank you Ian.Nice work. Perhaps can help friends. Ariel, i guess you mean "Enveriye", the brass hilted regular dagger issued in 1915, but it is quite different. Attached is a picture from Astvatsaturyan's Turkish weapons. The mid one without scabbard looks almost the same style by hilt shape and blade proportions, but I dont have the book at the moment and dont know which period it is from.??

Rivkin · 21st August 2005, 08:10 PM

First problem I have is that there is no character that is written like "a" in armenian alphabet, and I clearly see one. Armenian sound "a" is written like "u" if it's a capital letter, and like w if it's not. I don't see anything that suggests that the text is in armenian (however it can be, there is not much I can see here).

Concerning the dagger, I think I've seen this guy for sale on ebay not so long ago (or was it his brother ?). It was going as "ottoman court dagger" early XIX century (or was it XVIII ? I don't remember). I'm waiting for my copy of Astvatsaturjan's book, but the blades you show on the picture look to my unprofessional eye as XIX century.

21st August 2005, 04:24 PM	#3
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,396	Perhaps this is a little clearer. Best I could manage with Photoshop. Ian. Attached Images

21st August 2005, 06:00 PM	#4
erlikhan Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Istanbul Posts: 452	Thank you Ian.Nice work. Perhaps can help friends. Ariel, i guess you mean "Enveriye", the brass hilted regular dagger issued in 1915, but it is quite different. Attached is a picture from Astvatsaturyan's Turkish weapons. The mid one without scabbard looks almost the same style by hilt shape and blade proportions, but I dont have the book at the moment and dont know which period it is from.?? Attached Images

21st August 2005, 01:50 PM	#1
erlikhan Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Istanbul Posts: 452	thank you. and what about the shape and decoration? suits a known style and period?

21st August 2005, 03:11 PM	#2
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	The handle reminds me Turkish regulation military daggers. I have a pic, but the house is being worked on and I can find diddly squat....

21st August 2005, 08:10 PM	#5
Rivkin Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 655	First problem I have is that there is no character that is written like "a" in armenian alphabet, and I clearly see one. Armenian sound "a" is written like "u" if it's a capital letter, and like w if it's not. I don't see anything that suggests that the text is in armenian (however it can be, there is not much I can see here). Concerning the dagger, I think I've seen this guy for sale on ebay not so long ago (or was it his brother ?). It was going as "ottoman court dagger" early XIX century (or was it XVIII ? I don't remember). I'm waiting for my copy of Astvatsaturjan's book, but the blades you show on the picture look to my unprofessional eye as XIX century.