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Old 20th February 2012, 05:45 PM   #1
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Hi Flavio,

thank you! A nice sword you have there, the carvings are very similar. And the blade is in much better condition as my one.

Let's hope to see more examples!
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Old 20th February 2012, 06:33 PM   #2
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Nice swords.
Unfortunately I don't own one, but I handled several of them.
If I would buy one, I'm going for one wrapped in tinfoil....

Hope to see one in this thread!

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Old 20th February 2012, 07:13 PM   #3
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Nice Sumara Detlef!

It seems that I have lost the pictures of one of them. So here it is with its cousins on my Toraja wall. And then an older one but without scabbard...

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Old 20th February 2012, 08:21 PM   #4
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Hi Michael,

very very nice your Toraja wall! And so I have been correct when i "call" your name. The old type sumara is just beautiful, I only have seen one before.
How is named the sword with the hair at the handle?

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Old 20th February 2012, 08:27 PM   #5
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Nice swords.
Unfortunately I don't own one, but I handled several of them.
If I would buy one, I'm going for one wrapped in tinfoil....

Hope to see one in this thread!

Maurice
Hi Maurice,

nice to "see" you here again!
I never have seen one wrapped in tinfoil so I hope as well to see here one!

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Old 20th February 2012, 08:32 PM   #6
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Very nice examples Michael!

Thank you Detlef. I've added two images from the Leiden museum collection.
I've seen a similar for sale some years ago, but unfortunately I wasn't able to grab it at the time...

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Thank you Detlef. I've added two images from the Leiden museum collection.
I've seen a similar for sale some years ago, but unfortunately I wasn't able to grab it at the time...

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Thank you for the pictures! I think I have to look more at the site from the Leiden museum. When I look at the both examples I direct get the thought that maybe all was wrapped at one time with tinfoil..

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Old 20th February 2012, 08:56 PM   #8
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Detlef,

The one with hair is also a Penai. They changed the top of the hilt depending on what use they had in mind (war, rituals etc.). Unlike for the mandau it seems that it always is human hair on these Penai.

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Detlef,

The one with hair is also a Penai. They changed the top of the hilt depending on what use they had in mind (war, rituals etc.). Unlike for the mandau it seems that it always is human hair on these Penai.

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Thank you Michael, again, a beautiful display with very nice swords!
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Old 16th August 2012, 02:41 PM   #10
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Unfortunately I don't own one, but I handled several of them.
If I would buy one, I'm going for one wrapped in tinfoil....

Hope to see one in this thread!

Maurice
Here's my new find!
Hopefully there are some remnants of tin foil, which would do also to get me satisfied....

I'm very pleased some of the "almost ever" missing cord is still there..
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Old 16th August 2012, 04:23 PM   #11
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Hi Maurice,

very nice example! Seems to have a nice pamor. please post more pictures when you have received it.

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Old 30th August 2012, 10:12 PM   #12
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Hi Maurice,

very nice example! Seems to have a nice pamor. please post more pictures when you have received it.

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OK Detlef, I got it and was very pleasantly surprised of the quality, which wasn't shown in the images of the seller clearly.

I'm collecting Borneo, but think I will not be able to trade/ part with this one, as it's a pure headhunting sword (though from Celebes).
Look at the complicated knotted hair at the handle of one of the victims!

Also a great surplus is that the blade is covered with tin. As I said before this was done with swords which had taken heads! Unfortunately some rust comes through here and there, but I decided not to clean it, avoiding loosing some of the tin (which I definately not want).


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Old 21st October 2012, 08:47 PM   #13
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Look at the complicated knotted hair at the handle of one of the victims!
Hi Maurice,
Just wanted to add that the way of tying the hair is exactly the same as on the 3 celebes spears that I own.
Unfortunately the spears are decorated with monkey or dyed goat hair.

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Old 21st October 2012, 09:26 PM   #14
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Hi Maurice,
Just wanted to add that the way of tying the hair is exactly the same as on the 3 celebes spears that I own.
Unfortunately the spears are decorated with monkey or dyed goat hair.

Best regards,
Willem
Hi Willem,

Can you post some images of the tying of the hair?
Probably they are from the same area than...

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