Katzbalgers and Related Landsknecht Swords

Zwielicht · 4th January 2012, 10:09 AM

As a personal opinion - I would also have added to the definition a massive broad flattened pommel seen on most of katzbalgers, mostly of that specific shape (do not remember proper English name for it) seen only on them.

cornelistromp · 8th January 2012, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Zwielicht

As a personal opinion - I would also have added to the definition a massive broad flattened pommel seen on most of katzbalgers, mostly of that specific shape (do not remember proper English name for it) seen only on them.

There are several types of katzbalger pommels known, so also different types of grip caps as well steel katzbalger grip endings, integrated in the grip.
There are probably enough examples not yet known either!

it would be great to have the different types illustrated with examples.

best,

Matchlock · 8th January 2012, 02:40 PM

I thought that was exactly what I had been doing here all of the time, and I also gave the respective dates and references ...

Best,
Michael

cornelistromp · 8th January 2012, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Matchlock

I thought that was exactly what I had been doing here all of the time, and I also gave the respective dates and references ...

Best,
Michael

Hi Michael,

Of course this thread is a great base for research, probably the best I know.
I meant to classify the different types of katzbalger pommel caps and grips!

best,
Jasper

Matchlock · 8th January 2012, 04:34 PM

Hi Jasper,

I know what you meant but again, that's what I did giving dates and pointing ot the form of the pommel and hilt.
The types you posted now have Ottheinrich type fluted and rounded pommels and hilts and can be safely attributed to the early 1530's. The lower to with their sideguards are transition types to usual swords (Katzbalgerdegen).

Best,
Michael

cornelistromp · 8th January 2012, 07:31 PM

Hi Michael,

For me it is not so much about the dating. most of it is made in less than 3/4 of a century. more interesting is to identify and indicate the trends in those hilt types.

best,

Matchlock · 9th January 2012, 05:34 PM

I also did my best to illustrate that evolution as well.

m

8th January 2012, 02:40 PM	#3
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	I thought that was exactly what I had been doing here all of the time, and I also gave the respective dates and references ... Best, Michael Last edited by Matchlock; 8th January 2012 at 02:59 PM.

4th January 2012, 10:09 AM	#1
Zwielicht Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 26	As a personal opinion - I would also have added to the definition a massive broad flattened pommel seen on most of katzbalgers, mostly of that specific shape (do not remember proper English name for it) seen only on them.

8th January 2012, 04:34 PM	#5
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Hi Jasper, I know what you meant but again, that's what I did giving dates and pointing ot the form of the pommel and hilt. The types you posted now have Ottheinrich type fluted and rounded pommels and hilts and can be safely attributed to the early 1530's. The lower to with their sideguards are transition types to usual swords (Katzbalgerdegen). Best, Michael

8th January 2012, 07:31 PM	#6
cornelistromp Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,060	Hi Michael, For me it is not so much about the dating. most of it is made in less than 3/4 of a century. more interesting is to identify and indicate the trends in those hilt types. best,

9th January 2012, 05:34 PM	#7
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	I also did my best to illustrate that evolution as well. m