A possible Schiavona ancestor

fernando · 3rd September 2011, 06:38 PM

Ah, something i forgot !
My kingdom to those who can tell (or guess) the provenance of this sword; Central Europe ... Germany, Italy?

Zwielicht · 4th September 2011, 02:25 PM

I'd guess that it is Italy - the guard, as I understand, has a different build than German or landsknecht swords, but reminds closely that of a classic schiavona.

Also, what could happen with a tip of a blade? It seems to be cut or broken.

fernando · 4th September 2011, 02:39 PM

Thanks for your coments, Zwielicht.
I am waiting for the sword to have a closer look to both blade crack and the tip; i guess the tip was broken by accident and not cut for shortening.

Matchlock · 5th September 2011, 08:44 PM

Hi 'Nando,

My expert friend Ottmar says this was a North Italian variation of a very late schiavona type composed with a pommel of unusual shape, most probably put together in an arsenal for infantry armament in ca. the 1630's-40's.

Best,
Michl

fernando · 5th September 2011, 09:15 PM

Thank you so much Michl,
Also thank your friend Ottmar.
I aknowledge and will register those coments in the sword computer folder.

Matchlock · 5th September 2011, 10:59 PM

Ay, my friend,

None of us is perfect but united we can try and achieve the best possible results - I guess that's mainly why we are a community of forum members!

And I sure am proud as a peacock of being part of it!!!

Good night from a rainy and cold Bavaria,
Michl

5th September 2011, 10:59 PM	#6
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Ay, my friend, None of us is perfect but united we can try and achieve the best possible results - I guess that's mainly why we are a community of forum members! And I sure am proud as a peacock of being part of it!!! Good night from a rainy and cold Bavaria, Michl Last edited by Matchlock; 6th September 2011 at 04:58 PM.

3rd September 2011, 06:38 PM	#1
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Ah, something i forgot ! My kingdom to those who can tell (or guess) the provenance of this sword; Central Europe ... Germany, Italy?

4th September 2011, 02:25 PM	#2
Zwielicht Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 26	I'd guess that it is Italy - the guard, as I understand, has a different build than German or landsknecht swords, but reminds closely that of a classic schiavona. Also, what could happen with a tip of a blade? It seems to be cut or broken.

4th September 2011, 02:39 PM	#3
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Thanks for your coments, Zwielicht. I am waiting for the sword to have a closer look to both blade crack and the tip; i guess the tip was broken by accident and not cut for shortening.

5th September 2011, 08:44 PM	#4
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Hi 'Nando, My expert friend Ottmar says this was a North Italian variation of a very late schiavona type composed with a pommel of unusual shape, most probably put together in an arsenal for infantry armament in ca. the 1630's-40's. Best, Michl

5th September 2011, 09:15 PM	#5
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Thank you so much Michl, Also thank your friend Ottmar. I aknowledge and will register those coments in the sword computer folder.