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Ian Knight · 13th August 2011, 10:12 PM

Hello Glen,
I think that the 2nd sword of Simons is a composite sword. It has a British officer's P1976 hilt painted black and it has lost its quillon and has had a very basic wooden grip fitted to it with screws through the 'ears' instead of a rivet. The hilt, with its faceted ferrule and swept 'ears' could possibly be made by Osborn.
The blade doesn't look original to the hilt and is possibly a P1796 trooper's blade. If the blade is marked with 'Dawes, Birmingham' on the back edge I am 99% sure that it is a trooper's blade.

Ian

Hotspur · 13th August 2011, 10:25 PM

Simon posted three images and I was regarding the first two, as opposed to the comma eared 1796 hilt. The two above that one don't look to be 1796 at all to me but what do I know ?8^)~

Cheers

GC

sirupate · 14th August 2011, 09:57 PM

Hello Hotspur, I certainly agree that profile is 1796 LCS hilt, and the gentleman that owns the sword in the second picture felt it was a continental sword, but wasn't sure.

Hello Ian, from info on Old swords, it appears that Dawes may have had blades supplied by Thomas Gill, and where more of an assembler than cutler, so the hilt may well have come from Osborn and potentially commissioned for an Officer? But without being able to go through their books, we will never know. Original Dawes trooper wooden grips filled out like their leather counterparts.
I don't think there were rivet's in the ears originally, I have 1796 Officers LCS with the same ears but not riveted, I think the screws are done to secure it at a later date. Whatever it is or isn't it is a beautifully balanced 1796 LCS.

Thank you for your input everyone

13th August 2011, 10:12 PM	#1
Ian Knight Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: East Sussex, England. Posts: 103	Hello Glen, I think that the 2nd sword of Simons is a composite sword. It has a British officer's P1976 hilt painted black and it has lost its quillon and has had a very basic wooden grip fitted to it with screws through the 'ears' instead of a rivet. The hilt, with its faceted ferrule and swept 'ears' could possibly be made by Osborn. The blade doesn't look original to the hilt and is possibly a P1796 trooper's blade. If the blade is marked with 'Dawes, Birmingham' on the back edge I am 99% sure that it is a trooper's blade. Ian

13th August 2011, 10:25 PM	#2
Hotspur Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Nipmuc USA Posts: 512	Simon posted three images and I was regarding the first two, as opposed to the comma eared 1796 hilt. The two above that one don't look to be 1796 at all to me but what do I know ?8^)~ Cheers GC

14th August 2011, 09:57 PM	#3
sirupate Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: England Posts: 373	Hello Hotspur, I certainly agree that profile is 1796 LCS hilt, and the gentleman that owns the sword in the second picture felt it was a continental sword, but wasn't sure. Hello Ian, from info on Old swords, it appears that Dawes may have had blades supplied by Thomas Gill, and where more of an assembler than cutler, so the hilt may well have come from Osborn and potentially commissioned for an Officer? But without being able to go through their books, we will never know. Original Dawes trooper wooden grips filled out like their leather counterparts. I don't think there were rivet's in the ears originally, I have 1796 Officers LCS with the same ears but not riveted, I think the screws are done to secure it at a later date. Whatever it is or isn't it is a beautifully balanced 1796 LCS. Thank you for your input everyone