unknown possible weapon or ritual item?

mavi1970 · 4th August 2011, 12:59 PM

thanks Colin, for your insight. Well now i will clean it carefully and display it with the rest of my collection. It will go good with the other kaskara, nimcha's that i have.
thanks

Jim McDougall · 4th August 2011, 07:57 PM

Excellent info Colin!! and good suggestion on the symbol of rank possibility. It seems that many of these unusual 'weapons' including the haladie and dual bladed fork type daggers were often in ivory hilts and thuluth covered. It seems that perhaps strategically placed ranking individuals among the ranks might be afforded these noticeable weapons signifying power or rank in command of units.
There were also extremely wide and often somewhat 'trowel' shaped items with socket for mount on pole or long polearm shaft were termed 'alem' and typically profusely decorated with thuluth and devotional motif including the ewer. These I have seen termed 'lance heads' but were actually standards used in forming units in battle order, and were obviously too wide and shaped for any kind of lance type penetration.

Mav, it will indeed be an outstanding item in grouping with these other examples of North African weapons.

VANDOO · 5th August 2011, 11:42 PM

THERE IS A PICTURE OF ONE OF THESE IN STONES GLOSSARY ON PAGE 365 PLATE 459 FIGURE 11, NOT MUCH INFO SUDANESE TROWEL SHAPED KNIFE, IT DOES HAVE A SCABBARD. ALL EXAMPLES I HAVE SEEN OVER THE YEARS HAD NO SCABBARDS.
I RAN ACROSS SEVERAL THINGS WHILE LOOKING UP KUDI

4th August 2011, 12:59 PM	#1
mavi1970 Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: canada Posts: 90	thanks Colin, for your insight. Well now i will clean it carefully and display it with the rest of my collection. It will go good with the other kaskara, nimcha's that i have. thanks

4th August 2011, 07:57 PM	#2
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,281	Excellent info Colin!! and good suggestion on the symbol of rank possibility. It seems that many of these unusual 'weapons' including the haladie and dual bladed fork type daggers were often in ivory hilts and thuluth covered. It seems that perhaps strategically placed ranking individuals among the ranks might be afforded these noticeable weapons signifying power or rank in command of units. There were also extremely wide and often somewhat 'trowel' shaped items with socket for mount on pole or long polearm shaft were termed 'alem' and typically profusely decorated with thuluth and devotional motif including the ewer. These I have seen termed 'lance heads' but were actually standards used in forming units in battle order, and were obviously too wide and shaped for any kind of lance type penetration. Mav, it will indeed be an outstanding item in grouping with these other examples of North African weapons.

5th August 2011, 11:42 PM	#3
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	THERE IS A PICTURE OF ONE OF THESE IN STONES GLOSSARY ON PAGE 365 PLATE 459 FIGURE 11, NOT MUCH INFO SUDANESE TROWEL SHAPED KNIFE, IT DOES HAVE A SCABBARD. ALL EXAMPLES I HAVE SEEN OVER THE YEARS HAD NO SCABBARDS. I RAN ACROSS SEVERAL THINGS WHILE LOOKING UP KUDI