Early Halberd for coments

fernando · 9th July 2011, 01:03 PM

Thank you Mark.
Wait until you see what i have acquired today; will in principle pick it up on Monday.
It has nothing to do with this type of stuff, but something i bought to try and make you envy ... i hope

M ELEY · 10th July 2011, 05:18 AM

Oh, the tease!!!

Matchlock · 11th July 2011, 07:08 PM

Hi ' Nando,

My dearest friend:
Though honoring Mark's suggestion: should you ever decide on putting it in the garbage can please consider me first! I'll by tryin' to bid you out, Mark!

'Nando, I promise you I'll be comin' 'round soon and post more on this type of early halberds! I realize it's overdue since long ago. Please be patient, it's one of these hard times to me at the moment again that Woody Guthrie used to sing a whole lot about ...

And: yes, oh the tease!

Best,
Michl

fernando · 11th July 2011, 10:19 PM

Dear Michl,
What can i say ?
I remember feeding my moral status whilst being submitted to my (vast) heavy surgical/endurance processes: cheer up man; there is always somebody who is in a worse situation

Just come back ... no excuses

Matchlock · 11th July 2011, 10:54 PM

'Nando, my friend,

I didn't know what you had to to undergo to - please forgive me! It seems my heart is much more on my tongue than yours ... but otherwise, I'm all on my own while you, lucky guy that you are!

) you have your family and beautiful cats (all pics of of them saved, of course).

I really envy you for carrying on your live the way you do!

Coming back soon,
Michl

M ELEY · 12th July 2011, 04:44 AM

I, too, wish you a speedy recovery and return to the Forum, Michael. I do especially miss seeing the early cannons, bombards, grenades, swivels, etc, etc. Take care!

fernando · 12th July 2011, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Matchlock

... I didn't know what you had to to undergo to - please forgive me!...

Oh, never mind that; it's you that i am worried about ... not me

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matchlock

I really envy you for carrying on your live the way you do!

...

Yeah, i know i am lucky

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matchlock

... Coming back soon ...

You better

Matchlock · 12th July 2011, 03:36 PM

O.k., this is what I found out.

My first guess was mid to 2nd half 15th c., ca. 1450-70.

This surmise is backed up by the existence of a very similar halberd, Swiss, dated to the second half of the 15th c., and preserved in the Historisches Museum Berne. I attach scans from Wegeli's well known inventory of 1939. The text mentions that the lower end of the haft has a pointed iron shoe, just like my earliest halberd of ca. 1500. This is a feature which does not occur after 1500.

Please also refer to my thread

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=7450

Congrats once more, 'Nando, you made a fine bargain and did good hafting work as well!

Your new acquisition may well be of Swiss origin.

Various star shaped makers marks similar to that on your item are also to found on these Berne halberds.

Best,
Michael

12th July 2011, 03:36 PM	#8
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	O.k., this is what I found out. My first guess was mid to 2nd half 15th c., ca. 1450-70. This surmise is backed up by the existence of a very similar halberd, Swiss, dated to the second half of the 15th c., and preserved in the Historisches Museum Berne. I attach scans from Wegeli's well known inventory of 1939. The text mentions that the lower end of the haft has a pointed iron shoe, just like my earliest halberd of ca. 1500. This is a feature which does not occur after 1500. Please also refer to my thread http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=7450 Congrats once more, 'Nando, you made a fine bargain and did good hafting work as well! Your new acquisition may well be of Swiss origin. Various star shaped makers marks similar to that on your item are also to found on these Berne halberds. Best, Michael Attached Images

9th July 2011, 01:03 PM	#1
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Thank you Mark. Wait until you see what i have acquired today; will in principle pick it up on Monday. It has nothing to do with this type of stuff, but something i bought to try and make you envy ... i hope

10th July 2011, 05:18 AM	#2
M ELEY Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: NC, U.S.A. Posts: 2,159	Oh, the tease!!!

11th July 2011, 07:08 PM	#3
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Hi ' Nando, My dearest friend: Though honoring Mark's suggestion: should you ever decide on putting it in the garbage can please consider me first! I'll by tryin' to bid you out, Mark! 'Nando, I promise you I'll be comin' 'round soon and post more on this type of early halberds! I realize it's overdue since long ago. Please be patient, it's one of these hard times to me at the moment again that Woody Guthrie used to sing a whole lot about ... And: yes, oh the tease! Best, Michl

11th July 2011, 10:19 PM	#4
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Dear Michl, What can i say ? I remember feeding my moral status whilst being submitted to my (vast) heavy surgical/endurance processes: cheer up man; there is always somebody who is in a worse situation Just come back ... no excuses

11th July 2011, 10:54 PM	#5
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	'Nando, my friend, I didn't know what you had to to undergo to - please forgive me! It seems my heart is much more on my tongue than yours ... but otherwise, I'm all on my own while you, lucky guy that you are! ) you have your family and beautiful cats (all pics of of them saved, of course). I really envy you for carrying on your live the way you do! Coming back soon, Michl

12th July 2011, 04:44 AM	#6
M ELEY Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: NC, U.S.A. Posts: 2,159	I, too, wish you a speedy recovery and return to the Forum, Michael. I do especially miss seeing the early cannons, bombards, grenades, swivels, etc, etc. Take care!