Little SEA knife for ID

Sajen · 3rd July 2011, 05:03 PM

Here my other knife in form as a siraui. But I have get doubts that it is one. The form of the blade as well the sheath is matching but the overall apearance is rough and let me think that it is a utility knife. There is an old label in front of the scabbard where is written "soemba". Is the meaning Sumba? I just don't know. It is a heavy item, out from sheath it is nearly 34 cm long, the handle from black horn. Any suggestions?

Regards,

Detlef

Sajen · 3rd July 2011, 05:10 PM

BTW, here an ani-ani from Borneo, Dayak. This form of rice knifes is found like Michael said before in the complete archipelago and as well on the Philippines.

VVV · 3rd July 2011, 09:14 PM

Detlef,

Thanks for posting these nice reference pictures.
Soemba is Sumba AFAIK. But having been there myself I am quite positive that your knife isn't made in Sumba.
To me it looks like a Siraui. It's only the hilt that is slightly non-text book. Why do you doubt it when holding it in your hands?
Mine (variation #1) is 31 cm out of sheath, also has a horn hilt and is quite heavy.

Michael

Sajen · 4th July 2011, 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VVV

Detlef,

Thanks for posting these nice reference pictures.
Soemba is Sumba AFAIK. But having been there myself I am quite positive that your knife isn't made in Sumba.
To me it looks like a Siraui. It's only the hilt that is slightly non-text book. Why do you doubt it when holding it in your hands?
Mine (variation #1) is 31 cm out of sheath, also has a horn hilt and is quite heavy.

Michael

Hello Michael,

thank you for confirm that Soemba is Sumba. I have my doubts since this knife look more like a utility knife than a weapon. When you look for example the graceful examples Charles posted in this thread: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ghlight=siraui
This two knifes look much more like a weapon like my one. Also your very nice second example is more a weapon than a utility knife.

Regards,

Detlef

VVV · 4th July 2011, 05:09 PM

Detlef,

According to my experience it is Charles' knives that are atypical - not yours, Maurice's and mine. Take a look in the Leiden database for example to see what I mean.

Michael

Sajen · 4th July 2011, 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VVV

Detlef,

According to my experience it is Charles' knives that are atypical - not yours, Maurice's and mine. Take a look in the Leiden database for example to see what I mean.

Michael

Hello Michael,

yes, you are correct by this!

But I would be very happy when Charles would change his atypical one against my typical ones!

I just think that your second one and the both from Charles are the older ones which can be used as weapons and the other ones are just utility knifes.

Regards,

Detlef

A. G. Maisey · 5th July 2011, 07:17 AM

Yes Michael, my post did move away from the theme.

The only reason I made that post was to show exactly what is used to harvest rice.

In every place I have ever visited in Indonesia, farmers use tools to harvest rice, and those tools look pretty much like what farmers in Europe, America and Australia used to use before harvesting became mechanised.

They do not use nicely forged and finished blades mounted in elegant scabbards with finely carved horn hilts, to harvest rice.

3rd July 2011, 05:10 PM	#2
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,334	BTW, here an ani-ani from Borneo, Dayak. This form of rice knifes is found like Michael said before in the complete archipelago and as well on the Philippines. Attached Images

3rd July 2011, 05:03 PM	#1
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,334	Here my other knife in form as a siraui. But I have get doubts that it is one. The form of the blade as well the sheath is matching but the overall apearance is rough and let me think that it is a utility knife. There is an old label in front of the scabbard where is written "soemba". Is the meaning Sumba? I just don't know. It is a heavy item, out from sheath it is nearly 34 cm long, the handle from black horn. Any suggestions? Regards, Detlef Attached Images

3rd July 2011, 09:14 PM	#3
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Detlef, Thanks for posting these nice reference pictures. Soemba is Sumba AFAIK. But having been there myself I am quite positive that your knife isn't made in Sumba. To me it looks like a Siraui. It's only the hilt that is slightly non-text book. Why do you doubt it when holding it in your hands? Mine (variation #1) is 31 cm out of sheath, also has a horn hilt and is quite heavy. Michael

4th July 2011, 05:09 PM	#5
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Detlef, According to my experience it is Charles' knives that are atypical - not yours, Maurice's and mine. Take a look in the Leiden database for example to see what I mean. Michael

5th July 2011, 07:17 AM	#7
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,056	Yes Michael, my post did move away from the theme. The only reason I made that post was to show exactly what is used to harvest rice. In every place I have ever visited in Indonesia, farmers use tools to harvest rice, and those tools look pretty much like what farmers in Europe, America and Australia used to use before harvesting became mechanised. They do not use nicely forged and finished blades mounted in elegant scabbards with finely carved horn hilts, to harvest rice.