bali kris with bugis sheath or...?

Marcokeris · 13th June 2011, 08:45 PM

If i would have one keris like this ....i would be very very very happy

asomotif · 13th June 2011, 09:05 PM

I saw this one too.
Considering the pictures, the kind of seller and the other keris he offered I also think this is an original ensemble. At least already for a long time.

The price went pretty high imo, But if you want a rare type/variant and can afford it, this is something extraordinairy.

The Cirebon keris he offered also looked very good, old and original and will make a better investment than this odd chinese/bugis/bali combi which will probably be questioned by a lot collectors.

Sajen · 13th June 2011, 10:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by asomotif

The Cirebon keris he offered also looked very good, old and original and will make a better investment than this odd chinese/bugis/bali combi which will probably be questioned by a lot collectors.

Hi Willem,

yes, I agree. The Cirebon keris he offered was a very hard to come by keris and at last not to expensive.

Regards,

Detlef

asomotif · 14th June 2011, 06:38 AM

Ps.

The naga on this keris reminds me of dragons on Brunei cast work. (gong's and kettle's) / Chinese influence.

A. G. Maisey · 14th June 2011, 10:18 AM

Gustav, what I mean by "genuine" is fair dinkum, ridgy didge, straight up, made in a keris bearing society for local consumption.

However, were I to find a keris like this at a weekend trash & treasure market, I would sell it as quickly as I could find a buyer for it.

This sort of thing is most definitely not what I have any great regard for.

Unusual does not = good.

Gustav · 14th June 2011, 10:28 AM

Alan, thank you.

asomotif · 15th June 2011, 07:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

Gustav, what I mean by "genuine" is fair dinkum, ridgy didge, straight up, made in a keris bearing society for local consumption.

However, were I to find a keris like this at a weekend trash & treasure market, I would sell it as quickly as I could find a buyer for it.

This sort of thing is most definitely not what I have any great regard for.

Unusual does not = good.

"Odd" combinations have been made in the past.
If they are newly made most collectors assume they are fake.
If they are old some collectors consider them to be valuable.
Maybe they are valuable.
But that is in the eye of the beholder.

I like the blade

A. G. Maisey · 15th June 2011, 07:37 AM

Very true Asomotif:- beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Regrettably for many beholders, that in which we have a shared interest, although it may be regarded as a "collectible" in our ranks, and in the West in general, is regarded as an art work and cultural icon in most places where it originates.

Because of the perception which applies in its places of origin, certain minimal standards need to be met in order for any keris to be deemed an item of quality. For those who may have absorbed these standards, I feel that this particular keris might not quite make the grade.

Still, to each his own. After all, this is a Forum orientated towards the west, rather than towards parts of South East Asia.

The sticking point with this keris is not the dress, it is the keris itself. Odd combinations are often quite legitimate, and a number of well known odd combinations with history behind them can be quoted.

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Marcokeris Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Italy Posts: 928	If i would have one keris like this ....i would be very very very happy

13th June 2011, 09:05 PM	#2
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,228	I saw this one too. Considering the pictures, the kind of seller and the other keris he offered I also think this is an original ensemble. At least already for a long time. The price went pretty high imo, But if you want a rare type/variant and can afford it, this is something extraordinairy. The Cirebon keris he offered also looked very good, old and original and will make a better investment than this odd chinese/bugis/bali combi which will probably be questioned by a lot collectors.

14th June 2011, 10:18 AM	#5
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,992	Gustav, what I mean by "genuine" is fair dinkum, ridgy didge, straight up, made in a keris bearing society for local consumption. However, were I to find a keris like this at a weekend trash & treasure market, I would sell it as quickly as I could find a buyer for it. This sort of thing is most definitely not what I have any great regard for. Unusual does not = good.

14th June 2011, 10:28 AM	#6
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,273	Alan, thank you.

15th June 2011, 07:37 AM	#8
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,992	Very true Asomotif:- beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Regrettably for many beholders, that in which we have a shared interest, although it may be regarded as a "collectible" in our ranks, and in the West in general, is regarded as an art work and cultural icon in most places where it originates. Because of the perception which applies in its places of origin, certain minimal standards need to be met in order for any keris to be deemed an item of quality. For those who may have absorbed these standards, I feel that this particular keris might not quite make the grade. Still, to each his own. After all, this is a Forum orientated towards the west, rather than towards parts of South East Asia. The sticking point with this keris is not the dress, it is the keris itself. Odd combinations are often quite legitimate, and a number of well known odd combinations with history behind them can be quoted.