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David · 8th June 2011, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

David, you're more generous than I am.

Yes, i am afraid that is just my generous nature...

I;m just trying to look at all sides of this. My first inclination is to suspect Madura as origin.

A. G. Maisey · 9th June 2011, 12:56 AM

David, I haven't seen anything like this from Madura, nor as recent production from anywhere. Usually when you see something different that has come from Madura, you don't see one, you see a number. Semar has just obtained this in Jogja, and it could be that its a new creation, in which case, it is likely that I will see similar next time I go.

However, if it is not Madura work, it has come from somewhere outside Jawa, I have no doubt of that at all.

The greneng is something that simply does not exist in the Javanese lexicon.The other blade features have a very stiff look to them, they do not flow as is usual in Javanese work. It is difficult to comment on the material, because of the variations that can occur in the photographic process, however, if the photos are an accurate representation of colour and texture, this material certainly has the appearance of some of the material that comes out of Madura.

If we say a blade is Javanese, we then need to be able to classify it in broad terms, according to tangguh. If we do this we need to be able to support that classification.

It is absolutely impossible to attribute any Javanese tanguuh, of which I have knowledge, to this keris.

semar · 9th June 2011, 12:39 PM

thank you for al the comment
I don`t know of this blade is from java I can tel only
what 2 differend peopel tel me about this blad
but the inportend thing of all is that I like the blade
otherwis I don`t buy this one

regards semar

A. G. Maisey · 9th June 2011, 02:05 PM

and that, Semar, is the only valid reason to buy any keris:-

because you like it.

In this context, the comments of others do not matter one iota.

9th June 2011, 12:56 AM	#2
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,992	David, I haven't seen anything like this from Madura, nor as recent production from anywhere. Usually when you see something different that has come from Madura, you don't see one, you see a number. Semar has just obtained this in Jogja, and it could be that its a new creation, in which case, it is likely that I will see similar next time I go. However, if it is not Madura work, it has come from somewhere outside Jawa, I have no doubt of that at all. The greneng is something that simply does not exist in the Javanese lexicon.The other blade features have a very stiff look to them, they do not flow as is usual in Javanese work. It is difficult to comment on the material, because of the variations that can occur in the photographic process, however, if the photos are an accurate representation of colour and texture, this material certainly has the appearance of some of the material that comes out of Madura. If we say a blade is Javanese, we then need to be able to classify it in broad terms, according to tangguh. If we do this we need to be able to support that classification. It is absolutely impossible to attribute any Javanese tanguuh, of which I have knowledge, to this keris.

9th June 2011, 12:39 PM	#3
semar Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 272	thank you for al the comment I don`t know of this blade is from java I can tel only what 2 differend peopel tel me about this blad but the inportend thing of all is that I like the blade otherwis I don`t buy this one regards semar

9th June 2011, 02:05 PM	#4
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,992	and that, Semar, is the only valid reason to buy any keris:- because you like it. In this context, the comments of others do not matter one iota.