Help with yatagans' inscriptions

Zifir · 4th May 2011, 05:30 PM

Hi,
I could only read this part, but I am very curious about the circles. This is the first time I see such circles on a yatağan. Although I cannot read it, there are arabic letters and symbols inside the circles which I am not very familiar. Also if I remember correctly, I have seen the symbol, in which amel-i Halil is written, in elsewhere and somebody claimed it to be a Bektashi symbol.

TVV · 4th May 2011, 07:31 PM

Thank you very much Zifir,

This is very helpful. I have also seen the symbol one other yataghan blades, even though it is not a very common one. I did not know of its significance by now though. I gues if it is indeed a Bektashi symbol, this would simply mean that the owner or the maker (Halil) has some sort of a Janissary connection.

Hopefully, we will be able to learn more about the circles at some point.

Regards,
Teodor

Dom · 4th May 2011, 10:51 PM

hi
as well as Zifir, we cannot read it, the arabic letters and symbols inside the circles.

precision might be bring:
- AMEL means => the blacksmith
- SAHAB (SAHEB) means => the owner

on the pic jointed, has been translated
HUSSAIN SAHAB either OWNER HUSSAIN
very sorry to don't be more efficient

à +

Dom

TVV · 5th May 2011, 01:27 AM

Thank you Dom, I appreciate it.

The circles are quite unique, but maybe they exist on another blade, in a more legible form. If such a blade surfaces at some point in the future, it may help with the translation of this one. Or at least this is all we can hope for.

Thanks again Dom and Zifir for your help.

Teodor

TVV · 26th January 2012, 06:06 PM

My Bulgarian friend, who collects yataghans, has asked me to post three of his latest acquisitions here with the hope of getting the blade inscriptions translated.
Many thanks in advance,
Teodor

Zifir · 28th January 2012, 04:08 PM

Hi Teodor,
Pretty standard inscriptions, accompanied by my haphazard translations

Best,

TVV · 28th January 2012, 06:57 PM

Zifir, thank you very much, excellent as always. I really appreciate the effort you have put in placing the translation text on the pictures: this thread is slowly becoming a database of inscriptions.
Regards,
Teodor

4th May 2011, 05:30 PM	#1
Zifir Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Istanbul Posts: 228	Hi, I could only read this part, but I am very curious about the circles. This is the first time I see such circles on a yatağan. Although I cannot read it, there are arabic letters and symbols inside the circles which I am not very familiar. Also if I remember correctly, I have seen the symbol, in which amel-i Halil is written, in elsewhere and somebody claimed it to be a Bektashi symbol. Attached Images

4th May 2011, 10:51 PM	#3
Dom Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Paris (FR*) Cairo (EG) Posts: 1,142	hi as well as Zifir, we cannot read it, the arabic letters and symbols inside the circles. precision might be bring: - AMEL means => the blacksmith - SAHAB (SAHEB) means => the owner on the pic jointed, has been translated HUSSAIN SAHAB either OWNER HUSSAIN very sorry to don't be more efficient à + Dom Attached Images

26th January 2012, 06:06 PM	#5
TVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area Posts: 1,716	My Bulgarian friend, who collects yataghans, has asked me to post three of his latest acquisitions here with the hope of getting the blade inscriptions translated. Many thanks in advance, Teodor Attached Images

28th January 2012, 04:08 PM	#6
Zifir Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Istanbul Posts: 228	Hi Teodor, Pretty standard inscriptions, accompanied by my haphazard translations Best, Attached Images

4th May 2011, 07:31 PM	#2
TVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area Posts: 1,716	Thank you very much Zifir, This is very helpful. I have also seen the symbol one other yataghan blades, even though it is not a very common one. I did not know of its significance by now though. I gues if it is indeed a Bektashi symbol, this would simply mean that the owner or the maker (Halil) has some sort of a Janissary connection. Hopefully, we will be able to learn more about the circles at some point. Regards, Teodor

5th May 2011, 01:27 AM	#4
TVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area Posts: 1,716	Thank you Dom, I appreciate it. The circles are quite unique, but maybe they exist on another blade, in a more legible form. If such a blade surfaces at some point in the future, it may help with the translation of this one. Or at least this is all we can hope for. Thanks again Dom and Zifir for your help. Teodor

28th January 2012, 06:57 PM	#7
TVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area Posts: 1,716	Zifir, thank you very much, excellent as always. I really appreciate the effort you have put in placing the translation text on the pictures: this thread is slowly becoming a database of inscriptions. Regards, Teodor